Maybe I’m just face-blind or being dense but the photos from the scene of the crime look like a different dude than the ginning hostel check in guy. The jackets and backpacks are different. Although people can have multiple jackets and backpacks. We don’t see much of the shooters face but the eyebrows look different. Although, people can pluck/shave eyebrows. I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
    4851·
    16 days ago

    I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?

    I sure as fuck wouldn’t. I know enough not to come anywhere near the police if they’re scrutinizing me for any reason, even if I know 100% I’m innocent and I can prove it. You absolutely cannot trust them not to just arrest you and railroad you into a bullshit conviction anyway, or plant some evidence, or decide “he had a knife” and just outright kill you. You know how they say “anything you say can be used against you?” That’s because they absolutely won’t use it to help you, even if you’re not guilty of anything.

    I am positive city hall is breathing down the NYPD’s neck real hard right now. The entire department has got a lot of egg on its face for not being able to stop this guy, not being able to positively identify this guy, hell, not even know with any certainty where he went afterwards. They are under immense pressure to hang somebody – anybody – over this because they’re looking even more like chumps than usual.

    So no, a wise man would not expose himself to the cops in any way whatsoever.

  • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
    1251·
    16 days ago

    Feel free to upload more pictures claiming to be him that aren’t, post them to Reddit, send them to the news claiming to be from an official source.

    Protect your folk heros America.

  • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
    1141·
    16 days ago

    Backpack & jacket type AND color are all different. The other dude even has his hood from a hoodie beneath the jacket while the first one has his hood from his jacket. Facially also completely different. I guess the NYPD has reached Reddit doxxing levels now.

    • xapr [he/him]@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      261·
      16 days ago

      I guess the NYPD has reached Reddit doxxing levels now.

      Maybe they have always been at Reddit doxxing levels?

    • fistac0rpse@fedia.io
      76·
      16 days ago

      The killer seems pretty competent, having multiple jackets and backpacks and switching things up to make it harder to track him doesn’t seem unreasonable.

      • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
        34·
        16 days ago

        Having two dudes wearing similar stuff also doesn’t sound unreasonable. It’s really inconclusive and could do a shit ton of harm to an innocent person if the police got this wrong.

        • fistac0rpse@fedia.io
          31·
          16 days ago

          Totally agree, just saying that clothes are easy to change if you’re a motivated and competent killer. I trust the police about as far as they can shoot my dog from.

      • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
        2·
        16 days ago

        And what proof do you have of the killer doing that? The only reason they posted the other dude is because he has a vaguely similar outfit style (backpack + hood, which is incredibly common among younger people, especially during this type of weather). If I were the killer I’d not switch into similar clothes, but something completely different.

      • Fonzie!@ttrpg.network
        1·
        11 days ago

        I thought you were joking (missing /s) but judging by the comments you mean it?

        I don’t think this sounds plausible, no. You’d try to make yourself look completely every time if that were the case.

        • fistac0rpse@fedia.io
          2·
          16 days ago

          Why so aggressive? They might not be confused. They could just as easily be deliberately lying to frame someone else since the real killer is gone and that makes them look bad.

          • leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
            21·
            16 days ago

            Hanlon’s razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

            That said, we’re talking cops here, who are notorious both for being malicious (ACAB) and stereotypically incompetent, often at the same time, so the usual odds (which massively favour incompetence, hence the adage) might not apply.

            Also, a lot of people feel sympathy for this particular murderer (and / or enough well justified, earned, and deserved antipathy towards the victim that it overcomes what antipathy towards murderers they might normally have), so they might be aggressive towards anyone who appears to favour him getting caught.

  • MagnyusG@lemmy.world
    71·
    16 days ago

    I was curious when I was hearing the police chatter saying the suspect was wearing a “cream-coloured” jacket, when in the assassination footage it’s pretty undeniably black or a dark colour at least.

    • xtr0n@sh.itjust.worksOP
      42·
      16 days ago

      The fabric looks different too. Like the shooter’s jacket seems to have a texture like gore-tex and the hostel guy’s jacket seems more like a cotton-poly weave. It’s hard to know for sure with the low quality images, but the colors look really different (and neither is anything close to cream)

      • BigPotato@lemmy.world
        7·
        16 days ago

        The pockets are alone to give away that Hostel guy is wearing a “field jacket” cotton blend while Agent 47 is wearing a ECWCS cold/wet weather top. He could have two jackets and all that but they’re different jackets.

    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
      161·
      16 days ago

      Never underestimate how actively worthless “eyewitness” testimony is.

      I was not aware of this detail. But if it were just bystanders telling stuff to cops before they got a hold of the footage, they are going to go with it. Especially since it is already pretty worthless to begin with (so many jackets are easily reversed).

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
      30·
      15 days ago

      Yeah, these are obviously different. All kinds of visible differences. Pockets, color of bag, strap sizes, no string on hood, lapel looks different, one looks more like a hoodie with a jacket, the other looks like a jacket with a hood… Just doesn’t match very well at all.

    • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
      71·
      16 days ago

      That doesn’t mean it’s not the same person. It means they have more jackets and bags. If I was going to murder someone I too might bring extras so I can get changed afterwards.

      To be clear I hope they don’t catch this guy, but I’m just being real.

      • rocketpoweredredneck@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        15 days ago

        I’d do two bags in two separate locations with different changes of clothes in each. whichever bag I went would depend on what the circumstances afterwards were.

        • Mongostein@lemmy.ca
          3·
          15 days ago

          No no, you just wear the getaway outfit under the hoodie and pants that are easy to take off.

    • Mango@lemmy.world
      2·
      15 days ago

      It’s the Everyday Bag by Peak Design. Probably v2. I want it so I can cosplay assassin-kun! Gotta figure out the right jacket.

  • Black History Month@lemmy.world
    59·
    15 days ago

    CNN and others just put the photos out without verification. No official photos have been released. CNN even said as much in their article

      • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
        261·
        15 days ago

        “Hi we’re CNN. We don’t really have reporters. We regurgitate random shit we find on social media. Liberal, conservative… Suck my dick we’re CNN and we’re always just fucking there butching reality so you stay angry and we stay relevant. Fuck you.”

      • annHowe@lemmy.zipEnglish
        10·
        15 days ago

        That’s pretty much how most modern, corporate news outlets operate: irresponsibly.

      • stinky@redlemmy.comEnglish
        6·
        15 days ago

        “There was a shooting! Police are looking for the suspect! PICTURE OF A CLOWN WITH A GUN HONK HONK”

    • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
      8·
      15 days ago

      Well that sucks.

      Also, can’t stop thinking about that episode of The Newsroom with Boston marathon bombing. 10 years since it aired and this shit is only getting worse.

    • frog_brawler@lemmy.world
      9·
      16 days ago

      I mean, typically I’d agree with you, but there’s a small chance that this is smarter than a lot of people are initially thinking (but still fucked up none the less) … maybe someone at NYPD found a video / picture of a dude that they know was not the dude. Maybe they have evidence that the guy in this picture in the green jacket is 100% innocent. Maybe they arrest him, his lawyer gets him out and they all of a sudden have no leads at all. Cold case.

  • spector@lemmy.ca
    614·
    16 days ago

    The clothing color could be due to lighting. Remember the blue black dress meme? Multiple backpacks is too easy. So that’s a non-issue.

    That being said. Why isn’t anyone considering that maybe the cops couldn’t give a shit either. But they have to try because the money people said so.

    • Smoogs@lemmy.world
      46·
      16 days ago

      I don’t think lighting makes a light grey backpack into black. That’s a bit of a stretch. Especially considering the jacket on the left have no chest pockets. The one on the right has massive pocket flaps like they are the main character.

      • GladiusB@lemmy.world
        81·
        15 days ago

        It’s more than incompetent. It’s that they can’t get caught. That there is a way to execute and not be held accountable. If that knowledge hits the masses it’s a public relations nightmare.

    • Psythik@lemmy.world
      101·
      16 days ago

      How do you explain the different pockets and completely different backpack, then?

    • Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
      62·
      15 days ago

      That’s what I think as well. The assassin hopped on a bike and pedaled off to Central Park.

      Personally I think he had a different clothes going into the city. Changed in CP, Stole a bike, then biked to the hotel did the deed. Biked back to CP ditched the clothes and bike and left the city.

  • yesman@lemmy.world
    49·
    16 days ago

    These are not the same person. They fit the description, and where near the scene. Police would want to talk to both regardless.

  • ZeroOne@lemmy.world
    45·
    16 days ago

    Reminder even facial-recognition softwares & Geo-Location data HAVE made errors that put innocent people in jail

  • atro_city@fedia.io
    411·
    16 days ago

    These all look like different people with photos from different places at different times of the day. Probably their AI matched them and the coppers just had a quick glance, then put them on this panel.

    Honestly, I doubt the person who shot him would actually be mad at being caught. He might’ve started a movement.

    • bstix@feddit.dk
      315·
      16 days ago

      He might’ve started a movement.

      I really dislike the hero worship going on. For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.

      He’s not getting caught. The whole thing was obviously planned well. Never mind the professional technique and all that gun stuff, no, just consider the fact that he knew where and when to do it. How the hell did he track down the whereabouts of some relatively unknown CEO on a public street? That shows that the attack was carefully planned and of course any good plan includes an escape.

      • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
        16·
        16 days ago

        It’s the manifesto he left and that he did it on the security camera.

        This assassin did this with extreme precision and enough awareness that he knew the camera was there.

        It wasn’t a hired hit. This was a statement.

          • jaybone@lemmy.world
            6·
            16 days ago

            If it was a hired hit, it would be pretty clever to put those words on the casings to make it look like a political statement.

              • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
                11·
                15 days ago

                Like you said, it’s hard to not be on security cameras, and they only shared the video of the attack that had a couple of frames of the upper half of his face. So they are looking for someone with the upper half of their face.

                • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
                  1·
                  15 days ago

                  Oh. Sharing too much stuff as public information can actually make it harder to get a conviction if they do find the guy. It’s normal to not make public every single photo and video of a suspect. They’ll release some of the most likely info to help ID and find a person and keep the rest for the prosecution.

        • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
          62·
          16 days ago

          Don’t get too swept away with the romance - he could simply have not known the camera was there, or not cared, or been so out of his mind on some drug that the concept of ‘camera’ was beyond his grasp at the time. The engraved bullets could be anything from schizophrenic ramblings to a red herring because he really was a master hired hitman. We just don’t know.

          I really want this to be a revenge execution for all the evil that CEO sack of shit put into the world, but I’ve gotten really skeptical that good things might actually start happening ever again. We don’t even know that this was a targeted act. Everyone has assumed, but there’s no actual evidence of anything and if the NYPD have it, which I doubt, they sure aren’t sharing it (they doubtlessly have plenty they’re not releasing, 99% of it garbage they have yet to sift through, but anything this concrete would have ended the investigation by now).

          That said, I’m already trying to buy a body pillow of this guy so something something glass houses.

          • peopleproblems@lemmy.world
            2·
            15 days ago

            To me it seems like a really dumb idea for the police or news to share that the bullets had “Deny, Defend, Depose” engraved on them. You can’t tell me that they wouldn’t have known that it would energize everyone like that.

            I have to appreciate the skepticism, and of course it could have been a hired hit, or schizo ramblings. But there were other people who were in the area, and I bet they “didn’t see anything.”

            I highly doubt the schizo thing though. Psychosis won’t allow someone to be this careful.

            The problem with the hitman theory is that it painted a target on all of these executives and board members. Including whoever could have hired the hit. Hell, it could have been a Russian assassin brought in by Trump to stir things up, and it backfired. If that ended up being the case, Trump would then face a lot of opposition from the elite.

            To me, it really comes down to the fact that the motive isn’t what is important. What’s important is that so many millions of people have a motive, and now witnessed vulnerability in the elite that hurt them and killed family or friends.

            • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
              2·
              15 days ago

              There were other people there, I mean he killed the guy while he was standing like 4’ away from a woman. The hotel staff phoned the cops once they realized what was going on, but the choice of ammo + silencer and that was early in the morning meant people were slow on the uptake. It was either really well planned or really lucky, or more likely both. The engravings on the rounds show at least enough forethought that it wasn’t a spur of the moment thing, but that’s literally all the information we have.

              Look, overall you’re not wrong, and fuck knows we’re due for a new folk hero. My worry is that if people get too attached to the rapidly evolving mystique around this one person, it’ll all come to a crashing halt when/if they get arrested, especially if it turns out it really was his wife hiring a hitman to get out of a prenup or something equally banal.

        • bstix@feddit.dk
          3·
          16 days ago

          It wasn’t a hired hit. This was a statement.

          Hitmen can be hired to make statements.

            • bstix@feddit.dk
              12·
              15 days ago

              Definitely. I don’t disagree with the statement, I just think it’s poor judgement to praise the assassin, who might be a random scumbag murdering people for money, just like the CEO.

      • leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
        3·
        16 days ago

        I really dislike the hero worship going on. For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.

        Yeah, but death of the author and all that.

        Maybe the guy was hired by the victim’s wife because she thought he was cheating on her or something, and the casings and whatnot are just a misdirection… but if desperate people with nothing left to lose and a lot to avenge get inspired by it and start shooting (or just harassing) CEOs, it doesn’t matter what the original reason was.

        For now, American health insurance company CEOs seem to be afraid enough to remove their personal details from public sites, probably more because they see the reactions to the murder than because of the murder itself… so that’s something, at least.

        Given the political situation in the USA I very much doubt anything positive will come from politicians and the corporate class learning the sheer extent to which these CEOs and their corporations and their practices are despised by the general population (if anything, they’ll attempt to tighten the yoke, which will just further radicalise people)… but revolutions have started for less.

      • atro_city@fedia.io
        2·
        16 days ago

        For all we know, that particular dude might be a paid hitman.

        It doesn’t matter what he is, who he is, or what he believes. He could be a nazi from the US taliban who thinks healthcare is the devils work and wants to kill every healthcare CEO for spreading hell on earth, or any other crazy shit. People would shrug and still say he did the right thing. They hate him as a person, but the action of killing a CEO itself could galvanize people to start attacking millionaires, billionaires, wallstreet people, bankers, CEOs, etc.