And if something did maybe happen, it’s the CIA’s fault

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
          19·
          6 days ago

          If you check the Blahaj rules it explicitly states being tankie adjacent is a bannable offence, I love it.

      • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3311·
        7 days ago

        lemmy.world is basically that. You’ll get the most concentrated socdem/socialist engagements without traipsing into hunny-cum-shot territory.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            397·
            7 days ago

            Yeah, basically. ‘Neoliberal’ and ‘lib’ are just snarl words many tankies use to mean “Anyone less fascist than Mao”.

            In general, .world is much less radical than many places on Lemmy. But they’re far from neoliberals. The average poster is slightly left of a Berniecrat, probably; that is to say, either a very strong SocDem or a very weak DemSoc.

            • Wogi@lemmy.world
              173·
              7 days ago

              Listen all I’m saying is that if we were so far left that Bernie was center right on policy the country would be a much better place for everyone.

              • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                161·
                7 days ago

                Wouldn’t it be lovely? Unfortunately, we’ve got a lot of fighting on the ground to convince our fellow citizens to get their asses there instead of some weird 90s fantasy world.

          • pjwestin@lemmy.world
            145·
            7 days ago

            Eh, it’s a mixed bag. There’s a very high concentration of centrist, “vote blue, no matter who,” liberals in Political Memes. They’re not the whole instance, but they’ve made a nice little echo chamber that makes them a pretty loud minority.

        • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
          89·
          7 days ago

          I still don’t get how the far leftists (the types who think soc dems are basically the same as any flavor of lib, including libertarian, neolib, etc) are so convinced that socialism is the answer when there hasn’t been a country that even comes close to making it work. I guess China works for certain values of working, but it’s pretty capitalist these days, and you’ve got an overbearing government that goes along with it.

          Whereas countries like you see in Scandinavia, with strong soc dem policies under capitalism like high taxes on wealth and strong safety nets, seem to be doing pretty well. I get why socialism would be good in theory but implementing it is another story.

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
          1·
          5 days ago

          I have this LINK to the Lefty Memes moderator on db0 advocating against Democracy, is an advocate for the CCP and for people in the USA to tear down the system and abandon NATO.

      • bi_tux@lemmy.world
        186·
        7 days ago

        most communities on ml are fine tho, also I got banned on hexbear because I called the CPC (their official name) CCP

        • barsquid@lemmy.world
          274·
          7 days ago

          The admins are tankies. It’s just better to avoid it. The smaller their communities the more of a joke it is getting banned for writing a fact.

        • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee
          9·
          7 days ago

          I don’t have a problem with any of the communities but I regularly catch the instance ban hammer for asinine reasons.

        • frezik@midwest.social
          61·
          6 days ago

          I love this article while also finding it frustrating. The author seems to be a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, but also goes into detail about how all the ML states have devolved into capitalism. Maybe that should be taken as evidence that ML’s vanguard party is a fatally flawed concept?

      • lugal@sopuli.xyz
        92·
        7 days ago

        From what I know, dbzer0 is libertarian left and therefore not tankie

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
        51·
        6 days ago

        A lot of bad actors on Slrpnk but overall the community is anarchist leaning, anti-dictatorship.

      • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
        42·
        7 days ago

        Genuinely there are a lot of people that would like that. Maybe start with a community first before an entire instance.

  • lseif@sopuli.xyz
    242·
    6 days ago

    “you dont understand! nothing happened INSIDE the square! (ignore that masses were killed beside the square)”

    • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
      82·
      6 days ago

      That tens of millions of people across the nation were about to be slaughtered, broadcast on tv around the world?

      • threeganzi@sh.itjust.works
        91·
        6 days ago

        It wasn’t tens of millions deaths if that’s what you’re implying. An atrocity but always good to stay to the facts.

  • hark@lemmy.world
    749·
    7 days ago

    Why are people so laser-focused on this one event that happened over three decades ago?

    • BmeBenji@lemm.ee
      372·
      7 days ago

      Are people in China or on Chinese social media allowed to talk about it today?

      • hark@lemmy.world
        622·
        6 days ago

        Being able to talk about the genocide of the Palestinian people doesn’t seem to change anything. Turns out freedom of speech is happily granted when your speech is powerless.

        • BmeBenji@lemm.ee
          162·
          6 days ago

          You asked why people care about it so much, and I’m pretty confident the reason is because we’re allowed to talk about it here. If we don’t, someone will forget about it. Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.

          Furthermore, what we’re remembering is a moment when people who were trying to make their voices heard were silenced. By making our voices heard and remembering that they lost their lives in the name of their voices is in itself an act of remembrance that honors their memories.

          Lastly, for the low hanging fruit, asking why people are “laser-focused” on an event from a long time ago is a stupid fucking question when today there are nazis and fascists on the fucking ballot. That’s why we remember the past.

          And yes, to your point, those do who know history are doomed to watch others repeat it but remembering it is nonetheless valuable, and honoring people who died for something noble is also valuable.

          • hark@lemmy.world
            11·
            6 days ago

            You speak of nobility and remembering the past but I’ve only seen this used as a cheap way to score political points on lemmy.world (and upvotes) for what that matters.

            Someone casually browsing who doesn’t know the event would only glean that the CCP is bad, but they would have no idea what the students were even protesting about. So much for remembering the past.

            As for nazis on the ballot, we have two presidential candidates and both fully support israel’s campaign of genocide and lebensraum.

            • BmeBenji@lemm.ee
              3·
              5 days ago

              Well you didn’t ask why the OP was laser focused on this event, you asked why “people” are and I gave my best guess as to why it keeps coming up. It also could be that people just like to do things they’re told not to do

          • hark@lemmy.world
            21·
            6 days ago

            That just proves my point. If bringing it up didn’t matter then the CCP wouldn’t bother surpressing it.

      • hark@lemmy.world
        616·
        6 days ago

        No, just wondering why the obsession with this one event. This particular event gets brought up more on lemmy.world than perhaps any other historical event. I would ask the same if people kept bringing up the great molasses flood and cracking the same old “slow as molasses” joke.

        • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
          212·
          6 days ago

          Because it’s a world famous event that is virtually unknown in the host country. There are usually examples for each country.

          The US doesn’t know anything about the war crimes exposed by wikileaks.

          Russia knows almost nothing true about the Ukrainian war.

          The UK has superembargos (usually about celebs and royalty) which is only reported on abroad.

          Thailand doesn’t gossip about its royalty.

          Etc.

    • Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
      123·
      6 days ago

      Because Lemmy is considered and made by communists.

      Communists, tankies who will always rush in to defend the CCP and suppress the atrocities committed by the CCP, without fail. It’s both hilarious and madening.

      Basically what shitposting is all about.

    • orcrist@lemm.ee
      132·
      7 days ago

      I don’t know anyone who is laser focused. But anyway, do you think important historical events exist? If so, what are your top ten of the last half century?

      • hark@lemmy.world
        28·
        6 days ago

        I don’t know anyone who is laser focused.

        Really? You haven’t seen the many posts on this one event on lemmy.world? Hell, this is the shitpost community, not even a political one.

    • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
      34·
      7 days ago

      I don’t know if this is the case for other apps or anything, but on Jerboa I end up seeing blank posts (like a post but without any user or instance attributed to it) that just say “there is no record of this comment” whenever it’s someone I’ve blocked.

          • barsquid@lemmy.world
            184·
            7 days ago

            The flood has started below. And indeed it is a bunch of @lemmy.ml, surprising nobody.

          • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
            85·
            7 days ago

            Then that would be .ml users. Semantics yes, but considering that .world never federated with Hexbear, I feel it relevant for accurately describing things.

            • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
              103·
              7 days ago

              hexbear.net is known for discussion of what goes on in the rest of the Fediverse (I went and found a recent example to show you: https://hexbear.net/post/3645205). Whereupin people with accounts that are able to often brigade places that if we take the narrowest view of who “hexbear” users are, they would not have access to. It just goes with the territory of (a) being passionate about a subject, along with (b) caring not in the slightest bit about the consent of the recipients.

              I myself have multiple alts, and went to some trouble to ensure that it is barely recognizable which I am using (identical name and icon). I started on Kbin, and before it went defunct it got slower and slower so I switched to StarTrek, but it got slow for a bit too so now I made my final home on Discuss.Online. And when possible I will love to try out Sublinks, and probably I’ll try Piefed too then.

              If someone switches from their hexbear.net account, where they heard about this post, to their Lemmy.ml one for the express purpose to downvoting and trolling this post with their “commentary”, I would call those hexbear users. If you read hexbear posts, it won’t be all that long before you find people not only admitting but being outright proud of doing precisely that. Here’s a very tame one to get you started: https://hexbear.net/post/272530, here’s another: https://hexbear.net/post/277508, and another: https://hexbear.net/post/280770, and there are links from there and available by searching.

              • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
                81·
                7 days ago

                They even explicitly stated in one of their old federation threads that their sole purpose in federating with other instances is to “dunk” on anyone they disagree with and send brigades. This has been a longstanding problem with them, nothing they do outside of their instance is in good faith.

                • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
                  5·
                  7 days ago

                  Multiple of those links say that yeah. And the one where the admins took the vote, then ignored it and did the opposite of what the community asked. They are so toxic that they’ve even run off their own developers (I’m not sure if that really meant admin, but seeing as how iirc hexbear predates Lemmy it does make sense as actual developer too).

                  Some hexbears have left hexbear bc they were kicked out - too toxic for them even - but also some were not toxic enough, as in even they could no longer stand it there.

                  The only thing we absolutely must be intolerant of is intolerance.

              • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
                61·
                7 days ago

                That’s a fair way to look at it, yeah. I blocked the instance a whole back after being the target of the dunking culture and classification of statements like “peoples historically oppressed by a country can be reasonably expected to turn to terrible geopolitical powers, if faced with existential threat from said historical oppressors without other recourse” labeled as “fascist apologia” (referring to the USSR’s invasion of Finland, a country that was occupied and used as a battleground and colony by Sweden or Russia for centuries, leaving them with few options but the nazis to try to maintain a semblance of independence that they had previously won from the Russian Empire). If one can’t examine the mistakes of the past, they aren’t serious about trying to avoid them in the future and I ain’t got time for that shit.

                • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
                  75·
                  7 days ago

                  There are lots of REAL leftists here on Lemmy. I haven’t researched enough to even know if I am truly one, but anyway it’s obvious that they are children (of whatever physical age) merely playing at philosophical and political concepts.

                  They constantly claim to be the victim, citing how “unfairly” they are treated, always conveniently ignoring that it’s not their political beliefs that turn people away, but their abusive toxicity. Using tactics such as controlling the conversation, which apparently works on their instance, but can’t hold a candle when talking with a real adult.

                  However, since anyone who even so much as politely asks (if not sufficiently obsequiously enough) the wrong sort of questions there are promptly removed, the ones who remain are absolutely convinced in the rightness of their cause, seeing nothing first-hand to counter such a claim. Echo chambers can really be dangerous.

                  Hexbear users are just like Maga conservatives, only on the other side of the spectrum - or at least claiming to be.

                  Lemmy.ml users on the other hand, are a much more eclectic bunch. Some are great to talk to, though conversely whenever I receive the most batshit insane replies, even after blocking Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net sth like 99% of the time it is a user from lemmy.ml. I find it highly relevant that a LOT of hexbear users went over to Lemmy.ml when Lemmy.world defederated from the former. So after resisting for a long time and even arguing with others against doing it, I finally relented and just blocked Lemmy.ml too. I find my sanity greatly improved as a result:-).

      • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
        121·
        7 days ago

        It was a relief when I started tagging them since I realised it’s just a small handful of people that are usually all over the comments so it looks like there’s way more of them.

        • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
          123·
          7 days ago

          You can always rely on alcoholicorn to show up and say something stupid, for example. Ever since I tagged them I’ve seen them everywhere, always heavily downvoted for coming up with inane nonsense.