Anyway, please stay safe and don’t be afraid to defend yourself.
Anyone who thinks they stand a chance against drones with a gun hasn’t been paying attention to what’s happening in Ukraine.
Gonna pew pew a CEO in the back? Sure, guns work for that.
Trying to save your own life against a fast and agile target that needs way less precision than you to be effective and probably never even presents a target? Nah mate, you’re fucked.
There are some, handheld firearms that are used as a last-ditch / cheap anti drone solution in Ukraine, by both sides.
Drum roll…
Its shotguns.
Because they have a spread of multiple shot pellets instead of a single bullet.
Fucking obviously duh, they’ve been used to hunt small, evasive birds routinely, everywhere, for like 150+ years.
Hunting a nimble flying object with a sniper rifle is a laughably absurd idea.
This actual post from this woman is so stupid I would have thought it was from a 12 year old whose only experience with guns is from CoD… but nope, its a 50ish(?) year old woman.
Guess she’s never hunted birds, and thinks its just the same as hunting deer or hogs or something???
Ive heard and seen some images and videos of soliders building their own antidrone ammo. They rip the tip off the casing and heat shrink a coulple of bbs together and crimp them to the casing. I’m not certain how legitimate or effective it is but I’ve seen several videos and images of it. They recomend staggering the homemade rounds with tracer rounds to help with aiming.
Hah, I suppose that could work!
Reminds me of ratshot .22 rounds.
Maybe somebody will start properly manufacturing basically ratshot 5.56 rounds.
Old people can be stupid too :-)
Not gonna lie, if she can take a drone out with that I’d be pretty impressed.
Also, people seem to be forgetting that shotguns don’t only shoot shot or slugs:
https://www.lesslethal.com/products/12-gauge/als12skymi-5-detail
I did not know an actual anti drone, net round existed!
Not especially useful against drones, nor open warfare, there are also less than lethal rubber rounds…
… and a self contained taser round:
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/taser-x12-xrep-a-taser-in-a-shotgun-shell/
I don’t know if the xrep is still actually manufactured though.
Oh right! Dragon’s breath! Illegal in half the country!
People have been basically homebrewing shot gun shells since shotguns have existed. Everything from flachetes, to bolos, to XREP - even idiots that have shoved a shell full of .17 hmr rounds to see what happens. I 100% know that homebrewed anti drone shells exist and range from tying fishing line around pellets, to just launching a rope.
Oh yeah, I was trying to stick to retailed products, but yes, homebrew shotgun rounds have been around for basically as long as shotguns.
Another kind of homebrew shot is coin shot:
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2020/06/17/shooting-pennies-shotgun/
I’ve heard anecdotally that people have been doing that for quite a while.
There’s an old story that cowboys would load nickles. It ends up being something like $1.25 in nickles, which would be enough to spend the evening with several prostitutes at the time. So probably no unless they were in a real pinch.
So I have no actual source on any kind of coinshot…
But why not use half pennies?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_cent_(United_States_coin)
Yes, the US used to have half pennies.
Imagine buying an apple for $0.03½
Anyway, they stopped being minted in 1857, but that’s still within the early timeframe of ‘The West’, and I’d bet they were still used in circulation for another decade or two.
That’d be cheaper than using nickels, haha.
Its shotguns.
Using a gun with a 25’ effective range against a device hovering 50’ off the ground sounds not terribly effective, though.
Hunting a nimble flying object with a sniper rifle is a laughably absurd idea.
I mean, the whole idea that Iran has a 7th gen drone army it can project to the other side of the planet is laughably absurd. And yet here we are.
A quick Google search shows birdshot has an effective rang on the order of 40 - 50 yards. Now, you still have to be competant with a shotgun, but the public perception of shotguns is generally skewed. They have a much tighter spread and longer range than movies and games would have one believe.
Depends on the choke. A 12 gauge full choke turkey gun can probably put a pretty tight pattern that range, but it’s gonna work better with bigger shot. If you want super fine shot and a full pattern, you aren’t shooting that far.
GarandThumb did some tests in a video a while back. IIRC he did both choked and not, along with different types of shot and slugs. everything but birdshot was pretty effective out to a couple dozen yards? I’ll track it down and drop a link after I’ve rewatched.
EDIT: so in “How Deadly are Shotguns”, they fire 00 Buck unchoked at around 7 - 8 minutes, and it is still getting a drone-sized spread at 21 yards. In the video “How Far are Shotguns Deadly? BirdShot, Slugs, and 00 Buckshot”, we see birdshot and 00 Buck used choked all the way out to 120 yards. From my perspective, birdshot and 00 buck start having a potentially viable spread at 50 yards (slowmo spread footage at 14 minutes).
I think that most likely, a pellet size between birdshot and 00 would be better, to provide that peppering effect while still delivering greater impulse per pellet. Garand also mentions in the first video that chokes can actually cause wider spread when used with shot, so unchoked shotguns may be ideal for an anti-drone function.
Sounds good. Looking forward to it
prior comment edited for ya.
A quick Google search shows birdshot has an effective rang on the order of 40 - 50 yards.
Show me a shotgun with an effective range and I’ll show you a drone with a higher flight deck.
This is about drones that are cheap and can shoot you with a bullet. Sure a +1M$ drone will kill you from behind the horizon, but a repurposed consumer drone operates on the same ranges as handheld guns and as such could be shot by a handheld gun. If you can hit it, which is why you use a shotgun to increase your ods
it’s not necessarily with a bullet. Most improvised attack drones drop explosive payloads, since it’s both simpler to set up and simpler to use. Outfitting a drone with a gun takes making a complicated system for aiming it, while a payload drone just needs some 3d-printed parts, some extra wiring, and usually just a single servo.
Are the cheap drones really shooting people with bullets? I was under the impression they just had small explosives strapped to them and were single-use.
you’re correct, they do not strap guns to improvised attack drones. they’re not necessarily single-use either, though. A kamikaze drone will detonate its payload while its still attached, which is an option. There is plenty of footage of IADs which use a servo to just physically drop a payload onto targets from above, and those could potentially be used over and over. I think the kamikaze version is able to be more effective, for a variety of reasons, but both versions seem to be seeing use.
Show me a drone that can kill me outside of a shotgun’s range.
I’m guessing you mean just the disposable kind of drones popularized in Ukraine? We’ve been dropping hellfire missles from Reaper drones at 10,000+ feet for a couple of decades now.
Go to YouTube and search “Ukrainian drone drops bomb” and you’ll find tons of them. Like this one where the soldiers had no chance of hitting the drone.
This lets me know that you have never experienced a long term shot gun owner. Shotguns do not explicitly fire only shot or slugs. They never have. It is actually quite easy to tailor shells to a target. Someone with fishing line, a soldering iron, and a box of cheap pellets can make a net that will take out all commercial drones (or any of the 4 propeller style). And on top of that, there are widely available (albeit expensive) commercially available anti-drone shells. If you look in all of the footage of Russians being killed via drone, they all have a rifle with some kind of optic. These are very, very bad at shooting an agile flying target. Every hunter on the entire planet can tell you that. You know what’s great at that? A shotgun with the appropriate gauge and shell. Look, it isn’t that hard to hunt birds at over 50 yards (that’s 150’ as you so inaccurately put things in the range estimate) with a solid appropriate turkey gun. You have displayed a large amount of ignorance here.
Someone with fishing line, a soldering iron, and a box of cheap pellets can make a net that will take out all commercial drones
I would love to see the Rube Goldburg Shotgun you think you’ve invented and watch you try to fire it (from an extremely safe distance). Please post that shit to YouTube and share it, because god damn dude. Fishing line and cheap pellets shoved down the barrel of a shotgun for the purpose of butterfly netting an MQ-1 Predator?
Lolz. Lmao, even.
You have displayed a large amount of ignorance here.
Happy Hunting!
Please stop, you’re embarrassing yourself. Yes, you can jam all that stuff in a shotgun shell and make a crude anti-drone shot.
No, it’s not going to be an MQ-1 Predator (which is bigger than many WWII fighter planes), but nobody said that, either. Most of the drones in Ukraine are the size of a DJI Phantom.
Most of the drones in Ukraine are the size of a DJI Phantom.
The US manufactured drone weapons that have been coming over for the last two years are significantly larger than the DJI Phantom.
Stop digging. That’s completely beside the point.
Using a gun with a 25’ effective range
Translation: I know fuck all about shotguns beyond what I’ve seen in movies and video games.
I have 10 or so shotguns, of all sorts. None of them put out much spread at 25’. That would almost be too close.
EDIT: Went to my camp and tested a couple, 18" and 27" barrels, birdshot and 00. Long story, best range was 50’ to 100’.
Other people have already pointed out that your conception of shotgun spread is essentially based in video games, where the spread is (in all but basically milsim games) greatly exaggerated.
You’ve countered that drones can fly higher than an actual shotgun range.
Yep. They can.
… Did you read the article I posted?
Shotguns are being used fairly commonly by both sides.
It doesn’t matter what you or I think about how practical or useful they are…
The people fighting the war think they are practical and useful.
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Nonetheless, here’s my attempt to explain the popularity of shotguns in Ukraine as anti drone weapons:
This is not a solution geared toward being able to shoot down any drone, of any size or capability, at any range, at any altitude.
Obviously a shotgun is not going to be able to shootdown a greyhawk or reaper style drone.
Most of the small FPV drones that attack infantry or ground vehicles do so by basically either dropping a bomb or grenade or mortar round from maybe 25 to 150 feet in the air…
Or just being rigged with some kind of an explosive to explode on contact or via a remote trigger.
(Also, these cheap FPV drones do not really handle altitudes above roughly 150 ft that well (though this will vary by exact model). Unless its a dead calm day, gusts of wind easily blow them around, draining its limited batteries as it tries to keep its position steady, severly shortening the drone’s range.)
These kinds of drones are extremely cheap, plentiful, and effective against infantry and many ground vehicles…
When it comes to these kinds of drones, shotguns are also extremely cheap and plentiful, and practical self defense weapons.
Shotguns are more useful against these kinds of FPV drones than an average assault rifle, due to the spread of shot.
They are way, way more cost effective than using a tunguska or gephard or some kind of MANPADS platform designed to shoot down jet aircraft.
Shotguns are also just more numerous, and don’t require specialized training/equipment like a dedicated AA platform or EM jamming and all the equipment that entails.
You can just give a few out to every squad or vehicle crew, and thats way, waaay better than just hoping you’re operating near enough to an expensive friendly AA platform that exists in far more limited numbers, or being SOL if you’re not.
Further, a shotgun is also just useful as a general combat weapon.
Sure, buckshot has limited range, but sometimes fights occur within tight conditions… namely trenches or an urban environment.
Also slug rounds exist and can give you more range than buck or birdshot.
Also you can use door breacher rounds, or slugs in a pinch, to blow apart door hinges and locks.
You put a lot of effort into trying to teach someone who is clearly dedicated to not learning anything. I appreciated the information at least.
You’ve countered that drones can fly higher than an actual shotgun range.
Yep. They can.
I’ve also noted that a lot of these sightings are of airplanes, satellites, and stars.
Also you can use door breacher rounds, or slugs in a pinch, to blow apart door hinges and locks.
I’m sure Betelgeuse is terrified.
25’ against what, humans?
I got news for you, birds that get shot are usually more than 25’ away.
Now here’s a thought… What about using drones to “take care of” a CEO? The risk of being caught would be lower, as you can be located hundreds of meters away or more. It’s also relatively easy to acquire a drone, and you can make explosives with stuff you can buy at the hardware store.
(Disclaimer: This is just a thought experiment, I’m not dumb enough to try this, don’t worry FBI :3)
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Drones that weigh 0.55 pounds or more must be registered with the Federal Aviation Administration. If you buy a drone, you’re supposed to register it, and that puts the drone and your name into a Federal database.
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Every electronic device with networking capability that exists has a “burned-in” MAC address that tells you info on the manufacturer, etc. This coupled with the drones serial number can narrow down specifically which device it was and allow law enforcement to figure out which specific store sold this specific drone. Then they hit the store with a warrant for the customers, match up the drone to a name, and go.
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Communications with commercially available drones are generally unencrypted and easily intercepted. Triangulation of the source of the controlling unit would be trivial.
It’s sooooo fucking easy to find someone who is using a drone if you’re serious about it. It just takes law enforcement being serious about it. Also, there’s a good chance that since you have to register it with the FAA that any crime committed with it would be considered a Federal crime.
You don’t have to register it with the FAA; you’re already going to murder someone, who cares if you break a few more laws?
The last point assumes someone’s recording the wireless activity of the drone in the moments before the explosion, which I think is pretty unlikely. And the internals of the drone should be destroyed by the explosion, rendering it practically impossible to extract any identifying information other than the general drone model.
And even if all wireless traffic is being recorded and triangulated, pick a busy place and you’re just one guy on your phone in a crowd of thousands. You can also order the drone anonymously months ahead of time and pick it up somewhere with poor security camera coverage to all but ensure there’s no record linking it to you.
Also you can, like, buy the drone with cash? So no traces there?
Buy used and pay cash, although the previous owner of the drone will almost certainly be questioned.
True, though you’ll probably be recorded by security cameras if you buy it in a physical store.
- They’re supposed to be registered for use, but that’s something YOU do, on the website. That’s not done automatically as part of the purchase.
- Not all stores manage inventory at the serial number level.
- That requires them to be actively looking for it while you’re flying. Once you turn off your transmitter there’s nothing to track. Don’t fly near restricted airspace and they have no reason to try to fine a random drone pilot.
Register with the FAA? Lmao
Yes, yes. Let’s also register our crime gun before we do the crimes with it.Communications with commercially available drones are generally unencrypted and easily intercepted. Triangulation of the source of the controlling unit would be trivial.
You’d have to be looking for it while the drone was being operated, so you would have to either monitor all the time or be tipped off that someone was coming to get you. This isn’t really a good deterrent to drone-based assassination.
Also, drones are trivial to build on your own these days. With a few months of extremely basic electronics education, a pile of off-the-shelf components and a little iteration you can have your own “ghost” drone that you can control via RF, cell towers from a modem you put onboard, bluetooth, line-of-sight-laser or whatever. The weapons on it are a different story, but people have been improvising ways to off each other forever. It’s kind of what humans do best.
Every electronic device with networking capability that exists has a “burned-in” MAC address that tells you info on the manufacturer, etc.
You’re thinking of WiFi/Ethernet/Bluetooth. There’s plenty of radio control options for drones that don’t use MAC addresses. Some are completely analog (though there’s not many of those left), but even the digital ones don’t necessarily have MAC addresses.
MAC addresses aren’t some government-mandated thing. They’re something the industry came up with.
Drones that weigh 0.55 pounds or more must be registered with the Federal Aviation Administration. If you buy a drone, you’re supposed to register it, and that puts the drone and your name into a Federal database.
Now that Ukraine has made it clear that drones are “arms,” the anti-gun-registration 2nd Amendment people are gonna get right on that, right?
…right?
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Drones are like Obi-Wan, they always have the high ground.
just do a 360 noscope you noob
Oh my god your so edgy!
you’re**
They hear the word drone and think of those little remote control camera drones you can buy at Walmart/Target and not, like, a Predator.
We never see successful drone interceptions but that doesn’t mean they don’t happen. Not the kind of odds I’d like to take, though.
Fucking moron. You’ll never hit a drone with that! The ruskies have been trying that for the last couple years with virtually zero success.
More on this splendid human being:
In now deleted tweets from 2015, it’s clear Rep. Maddox has always held racist beliefs. In an October 2015 tweet, Maddox responded to someone calling President Barack Obama a “coon” by saying that “Obama is not black. He is of African ancestry, not sharing the Black American heritage or experience.”
In a March 2015 tweet, Maddox said that “childhood sexual assault and neglect” was the reason for homosexuality and that she blamed the parents and LGBTQ people for their sexual preferences.
In a January 2015 tweet she claimed Islam is a “faith about destruction” and that there are no Islamic “hospitals, orphanages or universities.”
She’s a genuine shit-person. 100% real human excrement propped up with modern technology to walk and talk sorta like a real human being!
I was about to ask who even is that? But now I’d rather forget.
TIL African people aren’t black, apparently?
She forgot the One Drop rule of racism.
Please, do NOT shoot at airborn targets, or any target where your are not certain a missed shot will safely land in an empty area.
Also shooting down a drone counts as shooting down an actual airplane, which is like, a super felony. So probably just don’t.
Also, the drone falling could hit someone or something. So seriously, don’t.
Just fly your own drone and ram into their drone. Then you pull an uno reverse and claim they hit you first. FAA aint touching this, and cops are too lazy to do anything and will say its “Civil Matter”
Knowing the golden rules? No, that sounds like communism or something.
Yep, that’s why birdshot is basically the only safe ammo that can be shot into the air unless you’re in the middle of the ocean or something.
Did not a bunch of People shot at a Tornado, at one point?
Scoped gun for a drone OK yeah, you clearly know what you’re doing.
And that bipod, expert gun believer right there.
- Prone shooting position, check
- Bipod firmly on the ground, check
- Aim at drone overhead, shit…
I don’t know anything about shooting or why a scoped gun is a bad thing…I know she won’t shoot down a single drone with that thing though.
A scope limits your field of view. It makes it easier to hit far away things moving relatively slowly/predictably.
It would be the opposite of helpful against a fast/close small target. There’s a reason duck hunters use shotguns.
Ah. Thank you. I thought it would be the limited number of shots you’d be able to take versus the oppurtunity to hit something vital in the you had.
$100 says she barely takes that thing past 100 yards…good luck hitting a drone 400+ yards from you moving at 60mph.
This is all BS anyway but a rifle is very much the wrong weapon against a drone…
Aliens are not attacking.
The drones have hurt no one.
They are merely paying more attention now.
Perhaps if society kills more CEOs, they will finally consider us sapient and establish contact.
GovCo owns the drones. The simple fact that they haven’t shot them down means they own them.
This is a distraction. It’s to distract people because for some reason there was a sudden unexpected explosion of class consciousness.
Stop talking about the fucking govt drones. Keep scaring billionaires.
The one I saw a picture of was a manned helicopter. (Flying in a legal area too … which is why they aren’t being shot down near a military base, because if they were a threat, in air they weren’t allowed to fly in… They would be intercepted or shot down)
It started a full week before the shooting though.
Dumbass gun owners, sending rounds into unsuspecting people since 1364
New Jersey people need new glasses…
I’m not a gun person, but it seems to me like anyone who claims they can shoot down a drone with a rifle is also revealing themselves to not be a gun person.
I just watched a YouTube video of ukraine drone operators and they had a guy in the middle of a field shoot down 3 fpv drones. They got him eventually but it is possible…
Why is that? People have hit more challenging targets. If the drone is stationary then it’s a no brainer easy target.
The dope has her DOPE taped to the sunshade on her optic, so at least numbers were crunched and she wouldn’t be shooting completely blind.
All she has in her house are succulents? That makes sense. They’re literally the only things someone like her could possibly hope to keep alive. They need almost zero attention, maintenance, or moisture.
Just like her brain.
She also has a cactus. But the same conditions still apply.
If it flies, it spies
Birdwatching goes both ways
c/birdsarentreal
shes more likely to die at the end of that gun than a drone. but only if you go by reality, statistics, etc.
Or some bystander of shooting into the air.
No she isn’t, rifles aren’t suicide weapons and that’s a typically male method.
If it was a handgun you’d have a point.
no one said suicide except you
OP probably mentioned suicide because that accounts for almost half of guns deaths. That’s where your statistic comes from. Guns don’t just hop out the safe and run around killing people.
And BTW, when you hear about someone shooting themself “cleaning their gun”, no, that was likely a suicide attempt. I’m not all that bright and I can figure out how to clear any gun you hand me.
Guns should never be cleaned with live ammo inside them.
When I was a kid, a neighbor was shot in his garage. There were definitely two stories that went around the neighborhood. One said suicide and the other said “cleaning his gun.” One of those was repeated when kids were around. The other when they thought no one was listening.
Years back, I read was a very odd story about the Korean belief that falling asleep in a closed room with a running fan would result in death. This also seems to be a cover story for suicide.
This bitch gonna shoot down actual manned aircraft, judging by the reports
