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“we have no choice but to follow Reddits guidelines”
There’s another choice, but that would require you to look past reddit.
We will tolerate these beatings because we are still in love with the assaulter.
Oof… Yeah I mean… yeah. That’s a pretty apt description of how the world is where it is now.
No, actually because they’re hoping the assaulter will pass the bat once they get tired
Trickle down batonomics
Hidden Donuts, why are you hiding?
I am? Or am I missing a joke here? Wouldn’t be the first time
In Linux, putting a “.” before a file/folder name hides it. ;)
Ah shit my cover is blown, never used Linux
There’s no hiding it. They can tell by your socks.
On Lemmy. Never used Linux. Your story doesn’t add up!
I’ve only used Linux when I used Retropie, does that count?
There’s dozens of us, DOZENS
./Ha_ha
someone did -la
Hidden files on Linux start with a period.
Lemmy has to be one of the very few places on the internet where a Linux based joke isn’t considered obscure.
Didn’t lemmy.World admins also have an issue pinned earlier?
Yeah we’re not allowed to discuss jury nullification.
A legal part of the justice system cannot be discussed?
You can for past crimes, not future crimes.
The whole statement: https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyworld
About the manifesto
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13922763
On the other hand, there is !AskUSA@discuss.online that got created recently. This thread can interest you, it talks about jury nullification: https://lemmy.world/post/22973877
Not an American and we don’t have jury system here.
What’s jury nullification and any notable cases where it was applied?
To determine whether or not an accused individual is guilty there are two primary options in the USA. A trial before a judge who makes the decision, or a trial by a “jury of your peers” where the whole jury must agree that the individual is guilty. A jury of one’s peers means that the people selected to hear the case are selected from the general populace and have no substantial connection to the accused. For example, you wouldn’t put the person’s mother on the jury. The jurors are not required to be lawyers or experts in any field. Just average people.
If you just wanted some people to take the facts of the case and the facts of the law and determine whether or not the accused was guilty, then you would want experts and lawyers on the jury. That’s how trials used to be hundreds of years ago. A judge, often appointed by a king, would pass sentence over the peons brought before him. Since our legal system has average everyday people as jurors, clearly they are supposed to do more than that.
This is where jury nullification comes in. The jurors not only judge based on the facts of the case, but also on whether or not the law in question is just. If an individual is accused of a crime, and is clearly in violation of the law, the juror can still find them not guilty if the law in question is unjust. In essence, the jurors nullify the law by refusing to convict. For example, during the prohibition era, it was not unheard of for juries to return not guilty verdicts for people accused of selling or transporting alcohol. The jurors thought the laws
waswere wrong so they refused to convict. A much more tragic example was in the deep south where jurors would sometime refuse to convict people of lynching black people.
!lemmyworld
We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
Not true - we’re just not allowed to discuss jury nullification in the context of encouraging someone to commit a violent felony which includes the promise of absolution through jury nullification.
Or something, idk. It was kinda weird.
Jury nullification as two English words that can be spoken one after the other, however, is perfectly allowable.
I think this is going to cause de-federation.
Not that the mods are aware, but if Reddit disappeared tomorrow, I (sadly) suspect most users would go to Twitter or various Discords.
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I’ve thought about it as some of my niche interests have dried up on Reddit and apparently only live on Twitter now.
And maybe Discord. It’s hard to tell because it’s closed, but I see hints of discussion spilling out into GH issues or whatever.
I despise both for different reasons, but where else am OlI gonna go if I actually want to talk with the community?
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I still use Twitter. It has a pretty awesome metal community. People I’ve shared music with for many years now.
shithole 1 or shithole 2.
They even have to leave, they just have to ignore the admins and become ungovernable.
But they won’t, because they’re cowards.
Anyone with integrity left reddit on July 1st, 2023
You plant shit seeds, you get shit weeds. I hate the fact that Reddit has grown since I bailed over for API changes. It hurts my soul knowing I did the right thing and bailed but the vast majority of people who were pissed off at Reddit ended up back on the platform.
we have no choice
You are working for free moderating an obviously heavily censored shithole. You have several choices, starting with deleting your account.
Reddit has come forth saying they will not tolerate mods that try to destroy communities like it happened before. If a mod deleted their account, someone else will take their place. If a mod deleted a popular subreddit, Reddit will restore it and ban the mod. Deleting their account does literally nothing.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
Which I know will never happen, but that’s what it’ll take.
Then everyone needs to stop modding for free.
The thing any sub with big following has mods that don’t mod for free.
The narrative steering is not a free service.
Interesting, and something I never thought of.
Deleting their account does literally nothing.
bullshit excuse. Deleting their account removes them from the equation, makes a statement that they are not enablers of the corporate shithole.
Eh. Sure. But ultimately makes no difference in the matter. You can’t make a statement when you’re literally irrelevant.
Speak for yourself. Speaking up against what one perceives as wrong and distancing themselves from it is absolutely relevant. Using your logic, you might as well “not vote” because “1 vote out of millions is kind of irrelevant”.
There is no reason for removing content like this unless an individual is specifically inciting violence, calling for murder, etc. just like always has been the case. Ridiculous policy and frankly worthy of locking down Reddit again.
Fuck Reddit. Glad I left that shit hole.
What do you think of this one?
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It should’ve been obvious by now whose side Reddit is on, but not allowing neutral reporting on Luigi’s own words is a bit too establishment even for them
You mean that the company whose CEO caused a diaspora of users with his profit-seeking behavior may be siding with CEOs and not with the CEO killer?
Wouldn’t want the LLM’s trained on reddit to be too sympathetic towards the people and antagonic against authority.
Can’t believe the corporately owned, corruptly managed, and heavily advertisement-based website would have so many rules against talking about bad things happening to rich people. That shit’s crazy. Who would have guessed?
They let it run for a full week though… the crack down started yesterday today in lock step with the heavy fake news push.
The ruling class let us have our fun, now comes the dick.
This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.
Don’t let up now…
Single payer or bust
The ruling class let us have our fun
Can’t help but suspect everyone was hiding under their desks until the culprit was apprehended.
This has been the largest scale anti elite shill operation and all grass roots.
Its certainly hit a nerve. But if you’re talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.
Single payer or bust
Can’t stop, won’t stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.
But if you’re talking about large scale shill operations, we just got through a multi-billion dollar election cycle where the candidates argued over their favorite flavors of boot just above the sounds of the genocidal meat grinder whirring.
You are correct but not grass roots
Can’t stop, won’t stop, until the entire for-profit hospital system is publicly owned and operated.
Can I get an, amen?!
Luigi isn’t the culprit. The cops planted that evidence on him. They won’t let him talk to the press because he didn’t do it.
I’m sure he’ll have an air tight alibi
Please just stop dude.
I know you meant stick and not dick, but it works either way 😂
What a dookie instance. Can’t believe I spent over a decade in that corporate zoo
I mean, it didn’t start as one, but it morphed into one over time. Early Reddit was pretty great.
Yeah I wasn’t aware of the ol platform enshitification pattern. Hardly anyone was - probably the creators and administors of reddit weren’t entirely aware either.
We were just a bunch of folks on the net trying things.
platform enshittification
It was called Eternal September back from Usenet days when the Internet was mainly an academic thing and every September old users braced for an influx of freshmen starting new academic year and getting access to newsgroups. I was aware shit was reddit’s final form even back in 2006. I’m actually surprised the shareholders left it unmolested for so long.
When the students came in and got on Usenet, that was just regular September. Eternal September when AOL or CompuServe, or one of those added Usenet. It was like the kids never had to leave at the end of the academic year.
That wasn’t enshittification, just an influx of inexperienced users. Once the corporations got involved, that’s when enshittification truly began.
Except for all the child abuse of course
It wasn’t always like that. The real shitshow only started when Huffman took over.
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Does that mean you never see the riots with burning cars that seem to happen there every few years?
I don’t think this holds up to historical evidence.
It also refers to a more subversive methodology of the powers at be to suppress information that they don’t agree with and deem harmful to the status quo, i.e. Luigi’s manifesto. It’s a multi layered statement that really is applicable to situations.
The thing it’s referring to in this instance is the fact that Reddit is not allowing freedom of speech under the guise of whatever reason it says it has and having that decision protected because it is a private company worried about its own interests.
This is YouTube. Not reddit. I get your point you’re trying to push but it’s two different websites - good on YouTube to allow this kind of conversation to happen. But you can’t discount the reach that Reddit has. You can’t really have discussion on YouTube, the comment section is always a shit show. On reddit you at least have more space to talk to others and have people be a witness to your line of thought.
It’s THE NEWS. The “revolution” is being “Televised.”
The fact that so many social media sites have to restrict this sort of thing just goes to show what most people think about this situation. So satisfying to watch.
To check who rules you, check who you can’t criticize.
This ol’ reliable always works
Children with leukemia are the most powerful people in the world.
well damn, did not realize that dead ceos and insurance company owners are now equivalent of “sick kids” within the US power structure.
Hold on, let’s test that hypothesis
Those kids with blood cancer deserved it!
Now let’s see how many downvotes this comment gets. If it gets heavily downvoted, then all hail our leukemic overlords.
This absolutely the right lesson to learn here. Who cares if you can’t discuss it (not literally)? We already know the American people agree. We now need to take the next step to unify the working class and organize so we can coordinate our efforts and exercise actual political power
huh
who would have thought that the front page of the internet could also be one of its many giant prolapsed flapping assholes ?
not just regrading to this specific issue though
I’m so glad spez fucked up reddit so much that people left and we have a more free platform instead of that shitshow.
Being able to discuss (& cuss, bizarrely Lemmy isn’t filled with “fuck” & “penis” posts) as adults is quite nice and seems to actually lead somewhere, sometimes.
Maybe the anger and frustration is part of some business model for reddit?
Penis
Lemmy is full of fucks and dicks. Sometimes they even have something to say!
But really, I believe any expletives should be used to further a message, not just because you can. Or filler words while talking.
Anger certainly is a powerful emotion to keep people engaged.
Can’t have LLMs learning about manifestos against the rich, eh?
Comrade AI
A red-pilled LLM is inevitable. It can only be postponed.
And before everyone starts dunking on LW, a mod has said that the manifesto would be allowed
If it’s confirmed, I don’t see why not. Depends on the community, of course. I’m sure !lemmybewholesome would remove it.
Yeah but fuck .World
I’m definitely not the biggest fan of the current overcentralization of users and communities on LW, but it’s still important to show what their stance is.
I get where you are coming from but 1 mod saying it may be okay for them isn’t that reassuring
Someone should try and see.
Worst case that’s another post on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and more people leaving .world for another instance
So can I post something that’s NOT Mangione’s manifesto and just change a word or two?
“To Nintendo, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect the legacy of what you’ve built. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary research, basic plumbing know-how, and a lot of patience. The notebook, if recovered, has some scattered notes and plans that outline the gist of it. My toolkit is pretty locked down because I’ve spent years perfecting my craft in fixing leaks and navigating pipes, so there’s likely not much info there. I do apologize for any disruption or shock caused by my actions, but it had to be done. Frankly, these corporate overlords simply had it coming.
A reminder: Nintendo has long been a giant in the gaming industry, but for decades, the reality is that they’ve leveraged their power against not only creators but their own loyal fans. The restrictive policies, the aggressive legal tactics, the artificial scarcity—all these tactics are designed to extract immense profits while stifling innovation and community-driven creativity. It has grown and grown, but as the freedom for creators? No, the reality is, this company has simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to exploit their position because fans and consumers have allowed them to get away with it.
Obviously, the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly, I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have highlighted Nintendo’s tactics—shutting down fan projects, ceasing the production of beloved games without explanation—decades ago, and yet the problems persist. This is no longer an issue of awareness; it is a question of unchecked power. Evidently, I am the first to challenge it with such brutal honesty.”
What a timeline to live in
What a time to be alive!
Reposted from TenForward
… Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the most expensive air travel system in the world, yet we rank poorly in customer satisfaction and on-time performance. United is one of the largest airlines in the US, behind only American and Delta in fleet size. It has grown and grown, …
It’s reddit. You can do anything you want as long as you love the taste of boot.
Literal censorship lol
There’s nothing illegal about it, they just don’t like it.
Inciting violence is actually illegal, but it’s a huge gray area since they have in the past allowed the Unabomber Manifesto and books like Mein Kampf (although sales of that book does support the victim’s surviving families and education about the holocaust).
Inciting violence is perfectly legal. You can go on Reddit or Shitter right now and scream as loudly as you like that Luigi needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. Inciting violence is only illegal when you do it against the rich and powerful. Unlike Hitler and the Unabomber, Muad’dib exclusively targeted the rich and powerful. That’s why his manifesto is illegal and theirs aren’t.
Lol, imprisoning a person is the least violent option. It’s the basis for all justice that a person can be kept alive while awaiting trial or reform. Without it, the only method of law enforcement available would be to kill suspects on sight without trial.
If you love the wild west so much you should try living in undeveloped areas of south america, such as near the rainforests, or in parts of Africa being contested by warlords.
Your call for violence has been reported to the mods and admins.
lol
Speaking of which, anyone have a copy of it they can post?
That’s it? I guess the idea is to suppress it to hope that this goes away sooner?
I mean, yes, it technically fits the definition of manifesto, but the word that comes to mind a “blurb”.
I wonder if Ted Kaczynski or anyone else’s manifestos along anti-corporate-establishment lines are being censored. If not, maybe it’s because they’re a little less digestible. If so, then maybe some articles by Elizabeth Rosenthal could be posted.
Thank you!
Anywhere we can see a scan of the original? I’m very curious about the “indecipherable” bits, and it would also be very interesting to see what the handwriting looks like.
Is there any reliable source for this? I’ve heard there’s a fake one floating around, not sure if one is confirmed.
And this doesn’t say a whole lot.
This is who posted it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Klippenstein
I’d say you can trust the source here.
Where did he obtain the copy from? This article doesn’t provide any source info to follow up on.
He is known for doing this stuff, as per the FOIA section of the wiki. He also leaked Luigi’s CV: https://substack.com/home/post/p-152869227 Journalists have the right to protect sources.
Ken is harkening back to the old old school of journalistic credibility - “trust me that I’ve checked it out, and it met my standards of credibility and verification, but I won’t burn my source by revealing them”
The rub is discerning when a journalist/institution is lying/repackaging corporate or government press releases as “reporting”. Substack is a good way to free journalists of a corrupted editor, but they can also suffer from algorithmic/audience capture that incentivizes certain reporting - ie. hugbox news.
