Similar vibes than Reddit api pricing
Similar vibes than Reddit api pricing
Reddit got the idea from Elon’s twitter API fees. This is Elon being consistent(ly terrible).
API pricing is such a shitty obnoxious dogshit practice that is now of course becoming standard because of course it is. internet barely costs money come the fuck on make a quality product
It used to be a respected standard for developers and hosts to be somewhat open and friendly to 3rd party devs, because ultimately they’re customers and they’re helping recruit and retain customers, they should be treated with respect. just because it’s innovative and disruptive to invent the machine gun doesn’t mean it’s good
The internet (ie bandwidth) is cheap, but running servers, providing documentation and tech support all costs a decent amount of money.
However, treating an API as a profit center is a joke. These are literally companies developing software that makes the experience of owning a Tesla better. Making things unaffordable for those companies is putting short term profits over long term success of your product
But 90k is nothing to Tesla, it’s just a paywall to keep the third party devs put while being able to claim to be open
while being able to claim to be open
Marketing is happy while dafdy gets to squeeze
Anyway, look at their actions, not their propaganda
just because it’s innovative and disruptive to invent the machine gun doesn’t mean it’s good
That’s a great Maxim.
I didn’t think there would be a pun in there but, man, you found it! 👍
Well, I am a Prodigy at that sort of thing!
I have the slightest bit of sympathy. So many companies got their shit scraped and fed into AI models. They lost out. They’re afraid it will happen again.
They didn’t lose anything, that’s our data.
I mean, I get your point, that’s why I said “slightest”. I’m basically just saying I understand their perspective.
Something to note: Tesla has two vehicle APIs, the Fleet API for commercial accounts and the Owner API for individuals. This change currently only impacts the Fleet API.
If you are an individual owner who accesses your vehicle data from the Owner API (usually via a self hosted tool like TeslaMate), this does not affect you. Yet.
I’m not a developer, so excuse me if this is a dumb question. Is the API supplying data that is provided by the OBDII interface? Or is it more than that?
There is most likely an overlap on what you can get from the OBD port, but generally speaking the API will provide more high level info e.g driving status, mileage, live location - and the OBD port will provide more low level data e.g. detailed battery stats from the BMS, energy usage, etc.
I see. Thanks.
Hey kid, don’t waste your breath defending corporations. You will end up being wrong in the end, and before that you just look like a fool.
Highlight where in the above post I am defending anything.
Isn’t it tacitly defending this pricing model?
I’ve worked in commercial environments where we’ve had the rug pulled on us in exactly this manner.
Sure today Tesla isn’t charging you, but the moment it is expedient for them, they will.
A lot of users here will have had the same experience with Reddit – it’s not unprecedented.
Not at all.
Lemmy is overwhelmingly militantly anti-Tesla, which is understandable considering who owns it, but it does mean that users tend to interpret any neutral or factual statements (basically anything that is not outright criticism) as having a pro-Tesla bias.
In this case, all I am stating is the fact that this specific change currently only affects corporate users. That could of course change in the future.
There is a rich history of cloud based data providers pulling the rug from under users with no warning. Look at what happened to Nest users when Google took over.
Providing and clarifying information isn’t automatically defending something.
stop buying tesla, stop supporting spacex, and stop buying starlink
And stop using Xitter.
SpaceX will be the only game in town once the new administration eviscerates nasa
^^ this. In America the only vote that really matters is the one you do with your wallet.
But what launch provider should I use then?
Boeing? No, I don’t think so.
don’t use any. space programs are wholly unnecessary
You don’t like GNSS?
Also space programs have been the source of a lot of world changing inventions.
because spending money on space exploration when people are homeless and hungry is wrong
Are you 12?
Are you? stfu or go invent a microwave that prevents neoliberal mayors and govenors (at least in the US’s system) from sicking cops on their own constituents while giving the real estate contracts to their buddies who are only interested in building McMansions. 🤡
Edit: As a rule I dont get dragged into pointless debates.
Im as enthusiastic for space as they come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pjdJa122I4
Simply put, until we address the root causes of systemic injustice which are low hanging fruit, and by that I mean do away with the parasitic billionaires who prevent that, any venture into space shall be doomed to come crashing back down for the self-canniblizing fascism which imperialism is.
It’d be funny, if it werent so sad, to see clearly the indignance and hipocrisy from those who believe themselves so enlightended, double down on the “importance of space” exploitation, capital extraction and colonization…without ever considering the rest of the picture.
I used to be bothered by the lyric
spendin all
theirOUR money building rockets they can shoot into the starsNeoliberals had their chance with this fucking dynamic, and blew it.
I have no interest in a future in space that is owned by assholes and authoritarians. That doesnt mean i give up on Star Trek. It means I recognize this society is barreling ignorantly toward the bell riots.
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GPS is terrible and I hate being able to find places
I agree that manned space programs are unnecessary and unmanned should be very limited. Starlink shouldn’t have been allowed. Unfortunately the US government let telecoms off the hook when it came to serving rural areas.
Starlink is the only decent satellite internet provider
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And be locked down to awful local companies? Starlink was cheaper, faster and more reliable than the Canadian alternatives
I know it’s not always the case, but even then, it’s a global choice versus a local one when it comes to travelling beyond just boats and giving a guaranteed service
Edit: Woah. Wireless Internet has a lot of issues in Canada, limited speeds, slowdowns, hidden fees… You get rid of that by paying double and getting also double the speed and without anything else hidden
Albeit you’re stuck to starlink services, but that’s just a downside of satellite internet
I would have no other alternative for internet access unfortunately
If you’re on a boat… fair enough.
Otherwise, look into WISPs… Wireless Internet Service Providers. Great for rural areas, the infrastructure is point-to-point radios, so it’s super easy to go large distances without the cost of fiber or copper cables.
Best part is, if you have any neighbors that are interested, they’ll often give you a discount if you let them put a sector antenna on your barn/silo. Or they can also erect a short tower if you let them too.
If there aren’t any in your immediate area, reach out to ones nearby. They’re always looking to expand.
Thanks I’ll look into that, never heard of it. I’m on an island
If it were that simple, and they were comparable/better than starlink, they’d be a lot more prominent than they are, no? You’re leaving out information.
It really is that simple. I wouldn’t chose it over wired, but it’s still pretty good. You’re going to beat the latency of satellites every time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Internet_service_provider
You could live like the first 2020 years of our timeline.
I don’t understand your sentence can you rephrase ?
…Ok, now what? Is evil defeated yet?
edit: He’s a fucking cabinet member. Think of something real unless you all want to go hit him with pillows in disgust.
if boycotts didn’t work they wouldn’t try to criminalise them
Free speech for me but not for thee, vibes.
Because criminalizing having a different political view definitely sustains democracy.
Another reminder to developers to not bother with public APIs, just screen-scrape or reverse-engineer the official app private API.
Really the lesson is, don’t run a business that 100% depends on another company.
This. It’s a recipe for disaster. I think enough (tech-related) companies have shown now, that they first want to lock you in, and then if they got you, want to bleed you out…
Virgin API user vs chad scrapper.
Then you’re at risk of getting sued for cracking the encryption or the API breaking constantly
The real reminder is don’t integrate with devices which you can’t trust
Yeah guys. Downvote me. This is literally part of my day job.
In our industry we call not using an official API a dumpster fire API. Because more than once it has completely broken eventually, and there are a few manufacturers warned will break in the upcoming future
Is it illegal to scrape? I mean most companies and governments scrape huge amounts of data all the time without getting anyones permission, hell the entire business of a search engine is basically WeScrape4U.
If you extract a key from a proprietary client to decrypt a private API, it definitely is illegal. If you do this as a corporation, it would also be easy to detect by abnormal usage patterns tied to your account and presents you as a nice big set of pockets to get sued.
Just screen scraping isn’t illegal, but is fragile as fuck and will break at the worst time and you have no ability to implement version control to manage it.
Personally I wouldn’t want to be the guy forced to write scrapers with how much they break on any modern site
Its Tesla; y’all should be dumping that shit anyway.
So musk pulled a Reddit spez?
Not surprising as musk is a scammer who got incredibly lucky, always has been.
Fuck spez and fuck musk
It’s only going to get worse year over year as we move towards a dystopian corporation ran future.
The U.S. leading the pack on testing how much a rich person can get away with while directly interfering with a d profiting from the government, which is funded by the people.
It’s just another grift, but this time in the open, corporate sponsored politicians being elected as presidents is going to become the norm. The only thing it takes is money to influence an undereducated populace.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
Or until the populace gets smarter.
The only thing it takes is money to influence an undereducated populace.
We got the government the average person deserves…
Didn’t they already do this with Xitter?
Yes the blue bird website did it first iirc
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No, the api changes were musk not dorsey
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Awesome username!
I’m surprised devs didn’t see the writing on the wall after Twitter all but murdered its API
Wasn’t that still Dorsey twitter though?
I could swear it was too, but I double checked before the comment.
Elon closed the deal on Oct 28, 2022 according to Wikipedia, and the first API woes I remember was the killing of third-party clients, which happened in Jan 19, 2023
Reminds me of the Fall Out Boy song “Dead on Arrival”.
Or, one of the original punk bands, DOA
Or the old saying “Dead on Arrival”
When Twitter (and Reddit) pulled this off, I was just mildly pissed. Can’t do interesting things with my data, oh no.
…Image that, except it’s an expensive luxury car you’re no longer allowed to do interesting things with.
One more reason I’m glad I bought a car with CarPlay / Android Auto support.
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CarPlay allows third party maps for sure.
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Damn that’s crazy I didn’t realize my third party map app was actually just Google maps
I’m confused. Non google maps can run on Android auto and can even run on the Home Screen view. Same for CarPlay and alternatives to Apple Maps.
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Hehehe, we all know how that’s like. I’m sure this income will truly be used to improve their services and support robust and reliable API infrastructure.
Imagine trying to sell cars and then pulling some shit like this
Tesla can eat penis.
Penises should be loved.
A bag of.
A whole bag?
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What’s the data? The article says the app was fleet management? So location and remote opening doors or something?
I use an app called Tessie. It’s $5 a month for the rest of my life but i do like it . Keeps track of battery usage, trips, and links to Alexa.
Gotcha - I guess I’m still not following though. Twitter and Reddit upped API fees because the data could be used to train LLMs.
Obviously if you had access to everyone’s driving/Tesla data - that’d be valuable - but I am assuming the API data is only for the owners using these the apps like you mentioned.
Is the data available across all users or are they prepping to release some kind of anonymized user data?
I can’t eee how blocking API use helps train LLMs.
Even if the users has a 3rd party app, it’s still making the API calls, so whatever data is already on the server side.
I think you might be misinterpreting me.
Most of these apps run via the app providers servers. So while each subscriber provides an apikey that only gets data on their car(s), the app provider can save every single api response and whatever they want with it.
Why Alexa?
Other than that, a $1 notepad and a pencil will do usage tracking just fine for years. You can’t take a trip unless you’re already sitting in the car where you can see and write down the info.
I’ve decided that we were just fine without the internet, please send your comment to me via written correspondence, since you have your notepad ready anyway.
The internet allows us to communicate quickly over distances we couldn’t otherwise without a long time between messages. What does this app do that I can’t do cheaper and easier with pencil and paper?
I’m not opposed to technology, but I’m not paying for it if there’s no benefit.
But it does it both easier and better than pen/paper because it does it automatically without them needing to even think about it. And it’s already available electronically so they can graph it and run statistics on their usage and trips…you know, actually use the data for something purposeful.
With pen/paper they just have a sheet they can’t do anything with. They now have to manually enter all this data to use it for anything, which is a lot on unnecessary manual effort.
Ok.
On my phone, I can use Google sheets (or excel or whatever) and get all the benefits, except for the automatic recording. For $5/mo in perpetuity?
I’m not anti app. I don’t understand why someone would pay this much for this function.
If you want all the metrics that it logs automatically, you’re going to be spending 20min every time you drive anywhere logging everything manually. And then you’re still not getting the continuous logging during drives. Plus you still need to do all the data processing yourself on top of that.
I get why some people pay for these things.
You can do basically everything you can do from teslas own app, but automated and even a little more. For example I use it to automatically control charging power to match the surplus of my solar panels, that keeps my grid-use for my car to 0kWh for roughly 5 months of the year. And I can set the charging power lower than I can in the Tesla app (app is 5A minimum, API goes to 0A), which is convenient for the solar charging.
And of course you can pull battery data, odometer etc. with it as well.
