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    Randomly holding other people’s children.

    They see me as safe. I’m middle-aged, put together and usually knitting. Many times I’ve been traveling and the opportunity to support a harried parent arises. Most don’t even think twice before gladly accepting a hand.

    If my boyfriend were to try even cooing at a child he’d be accused of abducting children or similar bullshit. I’ve seen people get weird if he smiles without me nearby That completely infuriates me.

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        Glad to hear it!

        We’ve encountered this in both Canada and the US. My boyfriend tells me he’s also felt that double standard in Iceland. We’ll see if that repeats as we see more of Europe eventually.

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    “Girls” and “men”. 😒 The word you were looking for is “women”.

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    Trans woman that lives in a big city here. After multiple scary encounters and one requiring pepper spray, I don’t walk outside at night by myself anymore. It’s amazing that when the world saw me as a guy a decade ago that I could wear headphones and not be even slightly concerned. That’s just not the case anymore.

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    I can (and do) cosplay as characters of both genders at times. I say this because I noticed that while we can cosplay as male characters, a guy cosplaying as a female character automatically has connotations of non-binarism for some reason.

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    In girlmode I can compliment women on their attire, hair styling, accessories, etc and it’s not taken as a declaration of sexual arousal.

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      Unironically why I avoid complementing about half the things I want to. I just think you chose a good color for your hair, ma’am, I swear!

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      As a dude I still do throw out the compliment - I just make sure to say it as I leave so it’s clear there are no strings attached. “I really like what you did with your shoes - have a good one!”

      As a guy I feel like I typically don’t get non-flirty compliments from gals, and I understand that it’s probably because there’s the worry of misunderstanding intent.

      That said, one time a few years ago a gal mentioned she liked my boots as she walked past and I’m still riding that high, lol. If it helps make people happier I’m not going to shy away from complimenting them :)

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      I’m a guy and I’m in a very customer facing line of work and I don’t have that issue at all.

      As others have said, maybe it’s an age thing (I’m middle aged) or maybe it’s a tone thing. If I’m complimenting them, it’s usually on something specific; “Oh hey, those are really cool glasses” or “I love what you’ve done with your hair.”, etc…

      It’s never “You’ve got pretty hair, lady.” or “Gosh yer’ beautiful.”

      The line between platonic comment and creepy sex weirdo (in my mind) is if you’re complimenting them on something they actively did that you think is cool (hairstyle, choice of glasses, etc…) it’s fine. Complimenting them on features that they have no control over, like saying “Hey, I just wanted to, completely randomly tell you how attractive you are” is creepy.

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      It’s all in the tone and body language. I’m a middle aged man and I do this occasionally when someone looks really cool. I’ve never received any indication that they think I’m flirting with them, which I’m not.

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    Some good ones have already been covered, so I’ll add that, if I were to break down crying, other women would come over to ask if I’m okay etc. (I’ve held a complete stranger while she sobbed in the middle of a store, after she lost everything in a fire) unfortunately men still face a very weird gender bias that society in general still believes - you never show your emotions.

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      This seems to depend on age and social circle. I’m very proud of my son’s group of friends. They’re considerably more emotionally supportive of each other than me and my friends ever were.

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      But it can work for us men as well. I went through a very rough time after my divorce and lost every social contact I had and I tried to keep it on inside because, as you said, no emotions. Until at one time I broke down and couldn’t stop crying for longer than five minutes, no matter where I was or what I did. Then a random woman from my neighborhood picked me up, made sure I had someone to talk to, convinced me to get professional help and adopted me to her circle of friends. That helped me so much I can’t put in words how thankful I still am. I haven’t recovered fully, but I’m feeling way better.

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        Similarly, my partner - going through a divorce - was having a really rough time. Had some loud arguments with their now ex husband and got scrutiny from all of the neighbors for being so loud and emotional. Except for one, a woman who had been in his shoes and came over to offer emotional support, resources, and a friendship. That woman no doubt saved his life

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      Not only do I feel like it’s a terrible idea to show that weakness, but if I actually do it everyone around me will reinforce why I shouldn’t.

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          Fuck those people who expect you to have no emotions. Red relationship flag if I ever saw one - they didn’t think of you as a person, just an idea.

          One of the most impactful things my wife said to me was “it’s okay to not be okay”.

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            Ok but that’s like, almost every woman. It’s not just the occasional shithead, it’s a systemic thing.

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              I’m sorry that you’ve had experiences that led you to this conclusion :( that’s a lot of bullshit that nobody should go through. You’re a person with your own very valid emotions that should be expressed, not an idea of someone’s “man” that they’ve built up in their heads. Fuck the ones that try to force you into their template.

              I don’t have a very diverse dating experience. I’ve only had a handful of relationships but they were all with decent people, and I’m still friends with all of them - in fact one of them was my best ma’am at my wedding.

              The good ones are out there - don’t settle for less and I wish you the best of luck in meeting them.

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          I’m sorry. That’s so shitty. I really don’t get women who are like that. The ability to express emotion (in a healthy way) is one of the most attractive traits one can have, imo.

          My AMAB (and non-binary, though they didnt realize that until like 9 years into our relationship) partner has cried in front of me COUNTLESS times. Because they’re a fucking human being who has feelings. It’s really not hard to understand if you take even just one moment to empathize.

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        Views really need to change. We’re all human and crying is a normal human response! Sucks you’re surrounded by people who feel that way 😕 it’s not a weakness at all 🤍

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          Views do gotta change, but it’s not like crying isn’t showing a weakness. It is showing weakness. The problem is life is a competitive environment where you’re not allowed to compete in any way other than financially where you’re at the same disadvantage as a gambler in a casino.

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            It really isn’t. Having emotions is not weak. Pretending like you don’t is weak. Expressing the emotions you have, processing them, letting them move through you, and moving on productively is not weak, it is strong. Shoving them down and the having them come out in other nonconstructive ways is not strong, it is avoidant. Allowing yourself to have emotions despite the judgement of others does not make you vulnerable, it means you are healthy and self-assured enough to support yourself emotionally.

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              Anything I do because I have to rather than because I want to is a weakness. A need is a weakness. It’s a vector of attack that I’ve gotta defend. Crying isn’t something I want to do, but is compulsive.

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                Sure. Though you could argue that needing food, water, and sleep is a sign of weakness, too.

                Simply existing automatically comes with these “weaknesses”, so I don’t see the point in assigning them with a negative value, as your perspective seems to. I doubt many people would claim that not drinking water is a sign of strength. Why should crying be any different?

                Now, having a mental breakdown because you haven’t allowed yourself to feel your emotions, though? Or lashing out at others because you haven’t learned how to regulate yourself? Now, that’s about as emotionally and mentally weak as you can get.

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                  Not needing to eat would definitely be a huge strength.

                  Having a pawn attack a square near your king is a weakness. Being an air hockey player should mean that doesn’t matter.

                  Crying IS the mental breakdown. It’s what you do when you need someone else’s help because you can’t do it yourself(weakness).

                  The problem here is that people prey on you when they see that weakness, and a civilized society should not do this. The problem here is that we’re developing all of the tools for a civilized society and putting them into the hands of predators. A weakness is only a problem when it’s being exploited. This is why I oppose usage of things that give our predatory “leaders” leverage against us that we can’t escape. Surveillance bad. Censorship bad. Detention bad.

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            It’s not a weakness at all, but you seem determined to believe it is. Having healthy coping mechanisms isn’t weak, bring able to process your emotions rather than pushing them aside is healthy and indicates maturity, not vulnerability.

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              I don’t know hope you’re coming to any of your conclusions. What do you think the word weakness means? Also coping.

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    My husband sharpened a friend of mine’s meat cleaver for her. I knew I’d be seeing her at the library later, so I folded it inside cardboard and put it in a reusable shopping bag for her. At no point did I worry about anyone stopping me, and if they had, I would have expected them to believe me about what happened.

    Everything went according to plan and I wouldn’t have thought anything of it, if my husband hadn’t been so surprised that I gave her the knife in public.

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        Any major city in the West.

        More visibly specialized knives, like cleavers, will turn fewer heads, but only if carried in a demonstrably safe and non-threatening manner, such as cradling the hilt with an outward grip.

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    Oh hey I’m AFAB but more or less NB at this point and let my gender presentation flux with both people’s perceptions and whatever seems to be working best in the moment, especially career-wise so I actually have a LOT of thoughts on this. A looot of this discusses societal stereotypes on gender, so while I think it’s shitty, the fact that a lot of people (wrongly) perceive trans people as their birth sex is of relevance to my perspective on this discussion. So, trigger warning: prejudice / transphobia.

    Background:

    • I’m AFAB so most of my upbringing was femme oriented

    • I also come from an autism / ADHD HEAVY family so I still missed some of the social aspects of gendered upbringing

    • my parents WERE fundies however, so my attempts at more feminine presentations (makeup, heels, etc) resulted in a lot of sex-shaming from my parents, but there was also a looot of pro-birther nonsense and everything about pregnancy just freaks me out. There’s probably a looot to unpack there as to how I wound up nonbinary, but ultimately I am what I am now, so it is what it is.

    • I spent the first few years of my career working on a psych unit for criminally insane men so the formative years of my young adulthood were spent learning how to speak from my chest and not look like a target

    • my current presentation is that sort of “no gendered features” / look like a clean shaven young man / lesbian (vs the beard AND boobs / “aaaall the gendered features” look). The only surgery I’ve had is my tits chopped off + tubes out. So I don’t look ooobviously trans, but a lot of people also can’t really tell what genitals I have at a glance which some people find …distressing. for some reason.

    • I’m also white which I think lets me “get away with more” than others.

    Thoughts:

    • I usually use the women’s bathroom. Sometimes I bring a she-wee to work but all the unit bathrooms are singles so it’s more just because I work with animals (male and female) who don’t know how to put the seat up when they pee standing / squatting. This is mostly because whether it’s reality or trauma based (see above work history) I don’t trust most men around me with my pants off vs women will be socially awful but I likely won’t have to come to blows over it. I do get some weird looks though, and some have stopped me, but then they just get this really confused / uncomfortable expression and ultimately leave me alone. But as far as your question goes, I do think I would get less backlash as a AFAB going into the men’s room than an AMAB gets doing the reverse, so there’s definitely an aspect of my vagina being inherently less threatening in vulnerable contexts… somehow?

    • sexually, I can be a top or a bottom (penatrator OR penatratee) and pussy vs bussy doesn’t matter too much to me other than that fitting things in the backdoor takes a lot more prep work (but I’ll talk more further down about how that flexibility is convenient for me personally). As far as gender relations go, I feel like I get more “girl power” brownie points for strapping on and pegging my male partner vs how men who receive anal penetration are perceived despite the fact that I’m essentially letting him do almost the exact same when he fucks my ass. I even typically use a “strapless” strapon (they still realistically need a harness to stay in) so I am actually being physically stimulated by the act, it’s not even (necessarily) a dominance thing.

    • work / patient care: I work high-acuity psych so every patient has to have their skin checked for injuries and contraband (particularly weapons). I usually count as female for the purposes of keeping things same-sex. As far as your specific question though, it’s also usually fine for me to count as female when searching men, even if the other person is also a woman. I usually try to have a male staff member with me as well, but nursing is pretty female dominated and I’ve noticed both in terms of patient comfort and working policy, two women searching a man is NOT as frowned upon as two men searching a woman. Do with that what you will. Same also goes for care / cleaning of genitals / breasts when patients require that.

    • In terms of responding to violent patients: it depends and I’ll change my demeanor as needed. If a patient seems like they’ll respect a man more I’ll stand taller, drop the pitch of my voice / speak from the chest, and be more directive. If I think they’ll respond better to me being more gentle / nurturing I’ll do that (although I’m not as good at it) but again as far as your question goes, I don’t think an AMAB person would be trusted the same way were they witnessed going back and forth like that.

    • That said, this raises the most important advantage to looking / acting masc - the high violence patients who respond better to gentleness are fairly few and far between. Patients who perceive me as more masculine are far, FAR more likely to cooperate with me being directive when I need to be. It’s also in most cases not a fear thing in that they perceive me as stronger / more powerful, it’s that they perceive me as more equal and worth listening to. I’ve had (usually boomer age) dementia patients in particular who gave every female nurse before me absolute hell for every single part of their treatment plan including the stuff the nurse has 0 control over but just went along with me saying the exact same things, then halfway through the shift they tell my coworker that “oh yes that nice young man has been so helpful!” It happens a lot actually, and I have a muuuch easier time with the sexist patients than most of my female coworkers. I recently did have one patient with homosexuality related delusions who targeted me a little, but that’s pretty rare (they commented on him mostly going after men in report last night and I was like “hey he came after me the other night!” and one of my coworkers actually turned to me and was like “I don’t think that counts as him targeting a woman…”)

    I guess my ultimate statement on it is thus: my particular combination of transness (including my race) is highly favorable considering, and I’ve heard that’s often true for transmascs which I think is highly reflective of societal prejudices based on birth sex. I still get the weird looks and called mean names, but I’m sitting in exactly the least taboo combination where most people can assuage their prejudices by categorizing me as a “tomboy.” People also often assume I’m a lesbian which is a little less favorable, but much more favorable than being trans (which is closer to the truth, I’m surgically confirmed and actually tend to prefer men).

    I’ve actually arguably been able to use my gender presentation to avoid violence in many cases, which almost universally cannot be said for transwomen or AMAB NBs or men or any other AMABs who find themselves with any kind of femme aspects in their gender presentation. I’m also fortunate that the dysphoria I did have tended towards removing gendered aspects vs adding them because that also gets a lot of backlash.

    I’m also almost entirely uniquely fortunate in that I don’t have any dysphoria that causes me inherent distress based on how others perceive me or how I’m personally acting outwardly. That makes my ambivalence an asset almost, since I can just do whatever seems to make any given situation go smoothest, and I don’t experience any emotional distress from doing so. I’ve noticed that lack of omnipresent dysphoria is almost unheard of in trans communities, especially for someone who got surgery (to the extent that I’m often actively unwelcome for expressing my unusual combination of lived experiences; I’ve actually felt far less welcome in trans spaces than pretty much anywhere else; and that includes on lemmy, a lot of my comments like this get removed with transphobia cited as the reason).

    Anyway that’s my garbled post 12-hour-night-shift stream of consciousness that I wrote and re-wrote a couple times on the bus ride home. Hope it was interesting but imma tap out and go nap before I have to go back tonight.

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      I’m an AFAB egg and I heavily relate to a lot of that. I come off some sort of way to people (I’m also 178 cm, but only 62kg, so I’m tall but not big, maybe that’s related), such that people don’t interrupt me, take credit for my ideas, mansplain to me… I actually experience very little in terms of individual (vs institutional) sexism, and I don’t know how to phrase that without it seeming like victim blaming. People don’t even catcall me anymore, but I may have just aged out of it

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      I don’t have anything productive to respond, althogh I do have a single, very important question:

      HOW did you write this entire thing in the bus?! Using a laptop in a bus is (for me) just extremely uncomfortable but if you typed this entire thing on the phone your bus ride must have been 2 hours or so

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        Excessive overnight caffeine intake and adhd hyperfocus. Part of it was also before the bus arrived since I get out of work riiight after the previous bus leaves and have to wait 30min for the next one with nothing better to do.

        I also do a lot of stuff like this so I’ve gotten pretty quick on my swype keyboard.

        You should see my nursing notes when the bullshit happens. I’ve gotten a lot of praise for the amount of detail I add to explain why I had to do whatever I had to do to get a situation back under control.

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      Thank you for sharing all this! This has been one of the most interesting posts I’ve come across in a long time.

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      NGL I’m don’t understand most of the acronyms you wrote and even some of the words you used. I’m too old and 3rd world educated for your post.

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        The short version is, as a pseudo-trans person, being born female makes a lot of it ok to most people. People born male who act more female get a looooot of backlash.

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      That’s a fascinating write up, thank you for sharing! I don’t think we hear about transmasc or transnb (?) nearly as often as transfem for exactly the stupid social stuff you mentioned.

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      I’d never considered this before, but the flexiblity that you get from ambivalence is almost like a social superpower - that’s really cool!

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        In a way it is. Im moderately muscular and I present masc, I don’t like to most of the time but it keeps assholes in their place. I wish I didn’t need to do it. Then when I present more feminine it’s like a completely different social reality.

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      Very thorough and great answer, I’m curious though – what’s a she-wee? Is that the tool for peeing standing up when one isn’t born with the sausage?

      Also, that coworker sounds affirming, when he told he thought that it doesn’t count as going after women - that’s kind of oddly sweet?

      I also have a lack of omnipresent(?) dysphoria, though do have a bit there and there. Mainly not having the right organ down there and having too much hair, but other than that, it’s pretty much alright.

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    Ask for help. I have a sketchy knee that gives out sometimes and i need to have one hand on the stair rail just in case. If I’m carrying something that requires two hands at work, I have no problem asking someone to grab the other side of it on the stairs. My husband would not ask for help unless it was something really heavy. He would put himself at risk to avoid admitting he needed help - it’ll be fine. Well sure, it’s always fine, until it’s not.

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      Probably because when he was a child and asked for help, he was told to “man up”. So now that he’s a man, asking for help would mean he’s not a man.

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        He grew up in a military family. You did what you were told and didn’t question.

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      Sometimes we men don’t ask for help simply because we want to see if we can do it ourselves. It’s a test.

      I often have work at my camp that makes me think it would be smarter or safer to wait until I can get help. Then I think, nah, you can figure this out. That often leads to novel solutions.

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      And somehow when my ex asked for help, I’ve spent weekends at her house carrying heavy stuff, assembling furniture and fixing stuff. Crap, I need to set boundaries, don’t I?

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    Woman, not girl. I’m an adult and expect to be treated as such.

    I feel no pressure to respond to aggression with physical violence. I recently sat through two friends (men) talking about how they feel too old to fight but if a strange guy were to roll up to them under certain conditions, they would have “no choice” but to physically fight them. I have never felt the need to physically fight a woman who disagreed with me. I would consider it a win and a good reflection on me if I could deescalate or remove myself from the situation.

    Most other things I can think of are a double edged sword. Like being seen as a “girl” instead of a fully functioning, self-sufficient woman is usually a negative, but I can twist it in my favor to avoid things sometimes. I see other people commenting about women being able to interact with children without being seen as a potential pedophile, but that only comes because society expects women to do all the child-carrying.

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      I’m a guy and I’ve never felt the need to fight either. I’ve had women disappointed that I wouldn’t fight someone for them, but they might have a weapon, and they almost certainly have friends and could come back later! I don’t see a world where it’s worth the risk for me to fight someone other than immediate self defense and even that is usually avoidable. (Every time, so far)

      Oh and miss me with puffing myself up “what! You got beef??” -type nonsense. I refuse to be a dog barking on a chain just for some stupid social standing stuff.

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        The only times I’m worried about a fight is if I’m somewhere and someone with a mental illness might start something. Like the other day on the train someone was yelling very loudly to the car in general and being aggressive to people.

        I wanted to do anything but fight, but I was mentally prepping in case I had to protect my step daughter. I was so relieved when he eventually went to a different car. I was even thinking of getting off and waiting for the next train.

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          That’s something that I’ve seen happen before. Also I always avoid older teens that think they’re hot shit and invincible.

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      There are certain scenarios where it’s not an urge to fight, it’s a necessity. Be a victim, or fight. It sounds like your friends were commenting on that type of scenario. As a woman you’ve probably never considered fighting an option in those scenarios, which is why you’ve never thought about it.

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        There are certain scenarios where it’s not an urge to fight, it’s a necessity. Be a victim, or fight

        Man chiming in to say: literally do not understand this statement. I have, however, used other men in this mood as a weapon against them to make them even angrier at me, which is a hilarious way to quit your job btw

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          I’m not talking about office drama. I’m talking about getting cornered by someone in an alley on the way back to your car from a ballgame, or whatever. If you can’t run then you have two choices, you can fight, or be a victim. You’re fortunate that you’ve never been placed in a situation that would have allowed you to understand the statement.

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      Hey everyone! I’m an adult too! You can refer to me as ‘his lordliness’ and I expect to be treated as such.

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      Really… Being called girl is offensive now 🙄…

      I don’t know you, why should I know that you want to be called a woman? And adult, even mature men are called “boys” even between them. Again, I don’t understand you first statement.

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        Is it really that shocking that a woman wouldn’t want to be called girl or child? Sure, boy is still used. But in your post you used man, not boy. I’d say an easy rule is if you’d use the word man in a sentence, don’t use the word girl.

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          It’s not shocking that a woman wouldn’t want to be called a girl. It’s shocking that this particular woman claims to speak for all womankind. Fuck that noise, I know plenty of women who say “girls” and “boys” to refer to females and males of all ages.

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            Woman, not girl. I’m an adult and expect to be treated as such.

            Interesting, cuz I’m interpreting that first sentence to mean how she’d like to be referred to, due to the second sentence referring to herself. Also note the singular “woman” and “girl”, not plural “women” and “girls”. Based on that it’s pretty clear she’s referring to an individual and not all womankind.

            Am I missing something where she claims to speak for all womankind?

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              No, you’re right, I was looking at another comment and thought it was by the same person.

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          Well written. To add: “Boy” coming from a white person to a black man is even more offensive, what with all the chattel slavery history and whatnot.

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              He specifically mentioned “in the context of the US”.

              If he had been talking about any other English-speaking country, I’d say it would be somewhat irrelevant.

              But it most certainly isn’t when talking about the US, especially southern US.

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              Read your responses and read mine. Who’s who? You keep insulting me for no reason, your “reason” is that i used the word girl, in a general, correct context… You see how ridiculous are you acting or not?

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        Yes. Adult females do not want to be infantilized to be called “girls”. You don’t have to understand it to be a decent human being, you just have to respect it.

        Maybe do some reading about women’s liberation if you want to understand.

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          No. This is ridiculous, I don’t see anything bad about either gender. I’m done with this

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            You don’t see anything wrong with your language, but shockingly, the world doesn’t revolve around you. Just because you think something is fine doesn’t make it true.

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        Idk, imagine being called a child, boy, preteen, teenager, or young adult when you’re in your late 20s or older.

        Hearing your friends say “the boys” or women hearing “the girls” is endearments between friends, not strangers.

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          I really… REALLY, disagree, as long as you don’t have bad intentions it’s all good

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            as long as you don’t have bad intentions it’s all good

            Generally speaking, this is a problematic way of justifying your actions.

            It’s all good if you have no bad intentions as long as you apologize when called out.

            Good intentions do not give you a free pass, however they do help others understand where you’re coming from if you bring them up when apologizing.

            “My bad, I didn’t know about that, growing up it was always okay to do XYZ”

            “Sorry I made it more stressful for you, I thought I was helping”

            hits very different from

            “This is ridiculous, I had good intentions and you’re still upset 🙄”

            In fact, if you say the latter you’re saying you have good intentions, but how good are those intentions if you refuse to help accommodate more?

            Some understanding and clear communication will do a lot to smooth the axles of the world.

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    Mostly things that fall under the category of women not being able to be a threat/dangerous. Especially white women, which im usually read as.

    This includes everything from talking to children in public to actual minor crimes like shoplifting.

    ETA: this is in fact a prime example of how sexism is mean to everyone. Women are not dangerous because they’re weak, men are dangerous because they’re strong. Neither is generally true.

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      neurotypical white women can get away with shoplifting… if you look crazy, you end up in my office trying to beat the rap

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          Yea that’s not quite the right word… there isn’t a better one though. What I’m trying to say is that a lot of the white women who do get picked up for shoplifting, they “look crazy”, for lack of a better term.

          all this is to say that i agree with your insight, and hadn’t considered that was the root! it’s about appearing non-threatening. unfortunate realization.

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      Funnily enough, as a kid I always associated shoplifting with women stealing cosmetics and once saw a woman run past me with a security guard chasing after her. It’s one of the only crimes I do associate primarily with women but only because of circumstance. Lol

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      This is why Israeli spies are mostly women… It’s super easy for them to gain trust and get away with things. Just an “oops silly mistake” and a smile gets you out of trouble. :)

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    Have any introverted traits. It’s okay for a man to be quiet or get hyper focused on a task. That can be either taken as he’s creepy or the strong/silent type. But if a woman does this then she’s labeled as a cold uncaring bitch. Sometimes I just want to get through a task without taking 20 minutes emotionally propping someone else up as expected.

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        So you are asking the ladies what they can do that a man can’t? Fair enough. Other than the few answers you’ve already gotten about typical “girly” things like wearing makeup, dresses, and watching children l personally can’t think of others that would apply to me directly. Truth is I feel bad that everyone can’t dress or behave as is comfortable for them. There are guys who want to be able to wear makeup/dresses or be recognized for being real parents. And I would love to be able to be taken seriously when I speak or scratch my crotch in public. I too am interested in the answers here because being a woman doesn’t get you too many “benefits” in society that aren’t two-faced and dinegrating.

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          I think with a forced gender binary, any advantages are double sided: men are respected, but not allowed to show emotion; women are cared for, but infantilized; men earn more money, but can’t ask for help; women are trusted with children, but not computers; men get to go on adventures, but can’t back down from a fight.

          Like, with other forms of bigotry, there’s a much clearer “winner,” but sexism fucks everyone. I don’t think it fucks everyone equally, but it does negatively impact everyone.

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      One time I was in these girls’ dorm after a party and one of them was really focusing on her homework and jamming to some nice tunes. It was such a good vibe that I was apparently just kinda staring at her for like 15 minutes and she thought it was creepy. Now lofi girl is a thing, but it’s not quite as good as the real thing.

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    I lived the first part of my life pretending to be a man, and then I wised up. I’ll just name my most recent moment of acknowledging that particular distinction in society.

    If a pair of suburban mothers saw a car pull into a nearby space, and watch a man get out of the car leaving the door mostly ajar and walk around to the passenger side of the car, grab a small grocery sack, and walk it to the nearest trash can and back… they might say something or keep an eye on him. But if he absentmindedly were to have also left the radio on loud enough for you to know he was listening to the building up of a particularly spice scene of a romance audiobook and … there would be some discomfort.

    But if they saw a woman in the same scenario, who only made it about halfway to the trash can before realizing, then make eye contact as they ran to turn it off embarassed… well they just giggled and asked what author that was.

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    Putting on makeup in public; specifically thought of refreshing lipstick at the table in a restaurant while waiting for the check.

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      Ok, that’s pretty funny to imagine the potential reactions if I (cis male) or any of my manlier friends did that. Good answer!