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      Yes, many academic disciplines view fieldwork as essential. Those who abstain can even be labeled as armchair theorists.

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        “No officer, you don’t understand! I offered her a large grant for her to do research. Not research for me, it’s for the high schoolers! How else are they supposed to learn proper technique? Jail? For what? Providing a proper education?!”

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      Sex ed is ideally about healthy relationships and safe sex. A prostitute is probably the exact opposite of what you want for that.

      Sex-as-industry is a deeply fucked up field that is almost guaranteed to build resentment and unhealthy associations with sex.

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        I dated an ex-escort for a while and the relationship was just fine. I think you’re talking without any real experience.

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          A friend was an escort for a while and she’s one of the most loving and caring people I know. I would trust her with everything, especially relationship advice.

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          It can be fine. That doesn’t make them the “most qualified to teach sex ed”

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              Someone with education in anatomy and experience studying the body in a field that isn’t prone to abusive conditions.

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                If that’s available, good. What if that person was a prostitute to finance the education? I wouldn’t exclude them because they had one career step you might find immoral.

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                  I would have them checked by a therapist to make sure there is no history of trauma or abuse that hasn’t been resolved which could then be passed onto the kids as hilariously unhealthy expectations or more specifically “rules for how things are with guys”.

                  I would also make sure they aren’t currently a prostitute. Not exactly an example you want to set for a bunch of kids.

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                So, a medical professional who did sex work to pay for med school, right?

                I agree, people with those credentials would be ideal.

                e: oh wait, I ignored part of your comment.

                in a field that isn’t prone to abusive conditions.

                Yes, it’s been difficult for women in the medical field. Thanks for bringing attention to that.

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                It was a trick question. This lady had the degree AND the work experience. You just missed out on the perfect candidate because you’re biased.

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                  The people who are actually there and know the situation more deeply than either of us seem to disagree.

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        A woman who has sex for work would be very concerned about doing so safely. She is likely going to know about STDs and pregnancies as well as how to prevent them and how to deal with them if/when they come up.

        She has experience in setting expectations, limits, and breaking off sex when she needs to.

        She is going to have more experience with the human body, what’s “normal” physically, what warning signs are for various STDs.

        She’ll likely be the least judgemental person for someone to talk to when it comes to sex and sexual relationships.

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        Wouldn’t this kind of be like drug addicts telling children why drugs are bad?

        Very few ways to better learn why something is right than far reaching consequences for doing it wrong.

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          I don’t think we should teach that sex is wrong or bad, but yeah, she probably is experienced in what can go wrong and can talk from more experience than most of us.

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          More like a drug dealer telling children why drugs are bad. (The role analogous to the drug addict would be the prostitute’s client.)

          And, frankly, that’s not a bad idea either.

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        Yeah, you’re talking out of your ass.

        You need to actually research this topic instead of believing conservative talking points about the sex work industry.

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          No you’re right. They don’t have extremely high rates of being sexually assau…

          45 to 75 percent.

          And this isn’t exactly a conservative source. Turns out the people playing for sex aren’t always the greatest people.

          https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://swopusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/FACT-SHEET-Sexual-Assault-Prevalence-Among-Sex-Workers-USA.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwipyp-E1-yCAxWDlGoFHdfiDGIQFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw06F00deZ5se8DU56cXaMyP

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            I never said they don’t have extremely high rates of being sexually assaulted - you did and then you proceeded to argue against yourself.

            If you read the document you linked though, you’d see that it actually supports the decriminalisation of sex work because this would reduce the amount of violence experienced by sex workers.

            It also says that the proportion of men who are violent against sex workers is quite small and those men are serial offenders.

            Again, stop listening to conservatives on this and actually read the documents instead of trying to find things to support your own point of view.

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              It supports my whole point. The world of sex work is filled with abuse and all sorts of nefarious stuff going on. You don’t want someone involved in it teaching kids anything about sex.

              Doesn’t matter if it’s a small fraction of offenders, because those small fraction of offenders still affect the majority of sex workers.

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                The sex workers aren’t the perpetrators of the violence though.

                The clients are.

                You’re not making sense. Are you blaming the sex worker because they are abused by the client?

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                Yea, the world of sex work is filled with abuse. Because it is illegal. Because when I had to do sex work, because I am transsexual and was unable to pass at the time, because I had gotten fired from my minimum wage job for daring to present as the gender I am, I had zero protections. Because sex work is illegal, if someone chose to not pay me after the fact there was nothing I could do.

                “Hey cops, this guy decided to shove a knife in my cunt when I was fucking him for grocery money, can you fix that please?”

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                  I know it doesn’t mean much, but I’m so sorry you were made to experience that. It’s inexcusable, and you should have had support from society for that. I wish I could hug you, and I sincerely hope you’re in a better place now.

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        Sex-as-industry is a deeply fucked up field that is almost guaranteed to build resentment and unhealthy associations with sex.

        It’s literally not. In fact, some people who do sex work develop an almost therapeutic relationship with their clients, since the intimate environment promotes emotional sharing.

        It’s literally one of the oldest professions of human society, and the stigma against it is entirely rooted in puritanical religious attitudes, which have been proven to be antithetical to healthy relationships, if not actively promoting abuse.

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        To be fair, throughout history most marriage have been completely transactional.

        The idea that a marriage should be based on romantic love is a new concept that would have been seen as unhealthy throughout most of human history

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            Nah, I’d argue that you’re both partially correct.

            The romanticized ideal of starting a family/marriage on the basis of “true love” has been around forever.

            Reality has been more of a mixed bag throughout large patches of human history. Accidental pregnancies, dynastic politics and plain economical necessities were probably foundations for many more marriages than actual love.

            (There’s also that whole can of worms of whether “True Love at First Sight™” even is a good foundation for marriage, but that’s neither here nor there.)

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        Victim blaming. Wow.

        They are experts in the industry and it’s not a justification. If it was your justification I’ll just let your next doctor know that you don’t want a lecture by an expert in the field but someone else entirely. I’ll just grab today’s horoscope. Holdup.

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    Legalize prostitution and get rid of the stigma. It being illegal only hurts the women (mostly) in the long run. With legalization you could get rid of a lot of abuse and make it easy for these women to come forward if there is abuse. I think it would also make underage trafficking harder if prostitution was legalized.

    I think we’re a long way from that, but one can hope for society.

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      Hurting women is the point. By keeping some people’s primary form of income illegal they can be superexploited, just like undocumented migrant workers. It’s no coincidence that they’re also similarly at risk of kidnapping, trafficking, and violence. No work insurance, no safety net, no legal protection, no rights, no dignity, and if you get caught you are the one that gets punished instead of the people who exploit you.

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        Conservatives need prostitution to be illegal. If anybody with some cash could go out and get laid then the right would quickly run out of incels to recruit.

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        I don’t think hurting women is the point, more like a bonus or icing on the cake.

        The point is to maintain a facade that our culture is ‘above’ such kind of behavior, even though everyone with a brain knows it’s not.

        Same kind of sentiment that allows Christians/Catholics to have sex out of wedlock but still think they’re ‘holier than’ everyone else who does the same.

        It’s all just hypocrisy and insecurity.

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          Our culture is very much in favor of hurting women, so it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other. The harm to women is far too consistent to be a coincidence.

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      “Convicted prostitute” is not the condemnation the article-writer thinks it is… Work is work!

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      We do not need to legalize it to get rid of the stigma. Spreading and calling out stories like this for the dreadful, inhumane, closeminded bullshit that they are is how we get rid of the stigma.

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            I think removing the stigma and changing the law are both worthy goals, and that one can facilitate the other, but I don’t think the stigma can ever be fully removed. Laws can be changed with a single vote, but cultural values never really go away; at best, they become fringe views, and even that usually takes a very long time.

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          Cheating on taxes is a crime, but in certain circles it’s nit stigmatized.

          The same goes for ignoring the speed limit in other circles.

          A desperate mother shoplifting to feed her child would probably get compassion from many.

          On a side note, it is also possible for something to be a crime and not be punished. It is a way for a society to condemn something, but acknowledge that is just necessary under certain conditions.

          (Some countries use this trick for contentious topics like abortion and, yes, prostitution.)

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            All your examples are things you say are stigmatized, just not in certain circles. In other words they’re actually counterexamples, unless you’re agreeing with me and I’m totally misleading your tone. If the goal is for prostitution to be destigmatized only in certain circles, then we’re already there. Mission accomplished!

            It is a way for a society to condemn something

            If there’s a difference between society condemning something and that something being stigmatized, I’m falling to see what it is.

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          Yes; smoking weed. Jaywalking. Drinking during prohibition.

          A crime is what the law says will be punished, but the law isn’t moral.

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            That has nothing to do with public perception which has everything to do with stigmatization.

            The fact that you listed things that have historically been highly stigmatised because of the law is bizarre.

            (Except jaywalking, not sure where that one is coming from)

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              Jay walking was originally a derogatory term for rural people in the ‘big city’ and supposedly not knowing how to navigate paved streets.

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                Yeah I guess I’m picturing people walking head on into traffic whereas it can also include simply crossing an empty street.

                Where I live the latter is fine but the former is illegal.

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                  It’s the exact opposite way around. Early car users were plowing their way through crowded streets, which were designed for and primarily used by human beings. The streets also had their fair shares of carts, horses, trolleys, etc., but they were primarily for people walking around.

                  The fledgling auto industry was under SERIOUS fire for the HUGE number of people getting killed by reckless, inattentive, unsafe drivers. Serious risk of cars being fully banned from many cities. So they ran a giant PR campaign to flip the blame. The issue wasn’t reckless drivers carelessly charging around crowded streets and killing people – it was actually the peoples’ fault for being in the streets (that had ALWAYS been theirs to be in previously and which were built for them by them).

                  Worked great. Streets rapidly became places people were not allowed to use – only cars were permitted, and nearly rent-free. A total hostile takeover.

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            All of those are/were stigmatized specifically because of legal status.

            What are you even taking about, my man.

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            The law usually reflects what people think is moral. Not all people of course, but a critical mass. Smoking weed is still widely considered immoral. Drinking was considered immoral by a lot of people when Prohibition started, and it still is by a smaller but still substantial number of people.

            Jaywalking is more complicated, because there was a deliberate campaign to stigmatize it. I can’t recall if it was made a crime to promote the stigma or in response to it, but a sigma was definitely involved.

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              But why was weed initially considered immoral? What did the aide to the president say about the “war on drugs”?

              Couldn’t possibly be ulterior motives, like the racism our country was founded upon. That couldn’t be right, right?

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        But, why? This feels about as effective of a strategy as ‘thoughts and prayers’…

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            Let’s start with any kind of sex ed, period. And no, “save yourself for Jesus” doesn’t count.

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          No but these absurd questions show up faster and faster as the government legitimizes sex work.

          And so do trafficked immigrants who are kidnapped and coerced into the sex work industry by people threatening to kill their family while using Facebook Live standing in front of that family’s home back in their country of birth.

          That shit has been happening for a decade. And it is why lots of the liberal western European countries have curtailed their red light districts.

          There is no way to save those people without destroying privacy.

          https://reddthat.com/post/8968028 - “European Parliament rejects mass scanning of private messages”

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            We have legalised sex work in my country.

            Don’t remember these questions ever coming up.

            The trafficking can also be dealt with, through means such as actually investigating workplaces and ensuring they’re compliant with workplace laws.

            Not to mention, people are already trafficked while it’s illegal as well, so you’re not helping the situation by making the victims criminals who will now be less likely to engage with police.

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              That’s because your country is not US and likely does not have significant fraction of religious population.

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            Governments can legalize sex work but they can’t legitimize it, because governments don’t dictate societal attitudes. (Well, they sort of can through propaganda, but they shouldn’t. A democratic government should reflect the attitudes of its people, not the other way around.)

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            There is no way to save those people without destroying privacy.

            I disagree. Legalizing prostitution and fighting the social stigma would prevent many of those crimes.

            If you criminalize a service that will always be in demand, you won’t kill the market - you’ll just turn it into an unregulated black market run by criminals, who are much less inhibited than legal employers to use any means at their disposal (even threats and violence) to maximize their profit.

            The exact same thing happened during the prohibition.

            But if you have a legalized market… using threats and violence to force people to perform i.e. call center work is much less common.

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        Probably not as that would be advertising sex work within an area frequented by minors. I bet it would fall under the same laws as consuming or selling pornography close to schools and parks.

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      The only problem that I have with legalizing prostitution is that it requires the government enact sane protections and oversight for them. I do not trust the US government to ever do anything for real people, so I believe it would just lead to different abuses.

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        Very well you don’t trust the government. Can you detail to me how you use this in real life? For example do you conduct your own water testing and inspect the watersheds around waste water treatment plants? Do you take your electronics and subject them to FCC type testing for safety and non-interference? Do you perform your own bacteria culture tests on all food prior to eating?

        The government is far from perfect but it can in general regulate industry when the legislative branch allows it too.

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        Ok, I’m curious. What kind of abuse are you imagining that could possibly be worse than the status quo?

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        To cut back on the hyperbole that you’re receiving for your comment: Even badly managed oversight would be better than none at all.

        Amazon warehouse workers are being exploited brutally in a system that needs fixing, but there’s much less trafficking and violent coercion involved.

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          You joke, but I knew a woman who danced at a strip club to get extra money for herself and school supplies who got fired after a student’s dad saw her dancing

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              That’s the world we live in, and the only reason we’re seeing this story is because she was/is a teacher. The number of people affected by others’ vindictive smearing for similar but in less “shocking” circumstances would lend itself to a public outcry that could very well undermine the whole “moral” control this stems from.

              If you don’t realize you’re living in a seriously fucked dystopia already, you’re likely a white cis-het male in the middle class, all due respect. Take a look around, and breathe it in.

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      Sex work is work.

      Do you believe that every sort of work in the world should be 100% legal? All of it?

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          Well yes, that’s a different issue. It should be legalized and regulated as currently there are almost no legal protections for workers.

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        That’s not how logic or reasoning works. They said sex work is work, they said literally nothing else about any other kind of work.

        Come on dude, that’s like the most boring fallacy ever.

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          What’s the point of saying sex work is work, then? Obviously it is, but just saying something is work doesn’t somehow validate it.

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      Regardless of the fact that there’s no way many of her students will be mature enough to handle this information without being disruptive, there’s a difference between supporting life decisions and accepting them.

      Like the difference between fatphobia and supporting healthy lifestyles, right? One is cruelty, the other is not supporting bad habits.

      Same with prostitution, it’s one thing to not oppress sex workers, it’s another to tell kids to become sex workers. Hopefully she’s not doing that but is normalizing the profession really what you want around teenagers?

      No parent wants to find out their kid started turning tricks because Ms Smith seemed cool.

      Especially when her “Ways to Spot A Dangerous John” course wasn’t approved by the principal.

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        Why would you assume she was “promoting sex work” instead just teaching kids “normal” sex ed? That’s a very strong assumption, and the article says nothing about that. Do you have an alternative information source that says otherwise?

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          Her existence as a teacher is tacit approval of her side gig by the school. Her existence in the classroom promotes it as a viable career.

          There’s always a fine line to tread by institutions in charge of minors between trusting your kids to be mature enough to handle things like this and knowing how vulnerable they are to making poorly thought out decisions.

          I wouldn’t want a prostitute teaching classes on sex ed, and I wouldn’t want a drug dealer teaching chemistry, and just to be clear, I use drugs and have used prostitutes.

          I just didn’t do it and won’t support it around people whose brains are literally unfinished.

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            Her existence in the classroom promotes it as a viable career.

            Her need for a second source of income suggests teaching is not a viable career.

            If you really don’t want teachers doing sex work on the side, you could just pay them enough to not need a second job in the first place.

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            Her existence as a teacher is tacit approval of her side gig by the school. Her existence in the classroom promotes it as a viable career.

            Source?

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            Seems to be a viable career, if she can charge a $3000 cancellation fee…

            I love how you admit to “using” prostitutes, because you don’t seem to view them as human beings. Seems like what’s good for the gander isn’t good for the goose.

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              I don’t recall saying it doesn’t pay well.

              I also don’t recall anyone worth knowing saying that anything that pays well must be a social good.

              The objections to this comment are quite telling in their shallow understanding of… Everything, really.

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                Should things that are “social goods” pay living wage? Or should we expect people to forgo survivable wages in order to do good deeds? Most of the schools I’ve worked at have been hiring randoms with no qualifications because there’s not a lot of folks willing to work 80 hours a week for “maybe enough for one person to survive on if you’re never hoping to ever have a kid or home of your own.”

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            Her getting fired means she’ll likely have to rely more on her prostitution to survive. This means the school has now increased the amount of prostitution. How are the schools against it if that’s the case? Maybe the schools should increase teachers wages so that they don’t need to be a prostitute.

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            and I wouldn’t want a drug dealer teaching chemistry,

            Of course not. Why would you assume a salesperson be good at teaching manufacturing of what they sell?

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              Also, equating sex to drugs is pretty telling about how this person thinks.

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            Her existence as a teacher is tacit approval of her side gig by the school. Her existence in the classroom promotes it as a viable career.

            The logic of your argument follows that teaching as a career itself shouldn’t be presented as a viable career is it requires a second job to finance the career of teaching.

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        Active shooter drills? Super chill.

        Woman had sex? Mind blown and values changed forever!

        I wish you could see how you sound.

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          Some people view sex as something intrinsically beyond the purely transactional, and for those people it’s immoral to treat sexual intercourse as a commodity. I’m somewhat undecided, but it does seem a bit like the final frontier of neoliberalism.

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            What a useless word soup. Sex can absolutely be transactional if it suits two consenting parties. Your world view being as narrow as a drinking straw isn’t a basis for how the rest of society chooses to live.

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              Whose worldview? I’m undecided. I’ve been reading about the lives of prostitutes in Bangladesh though, and it’s heartbreaking. I’m definitely not a supporter of that side of the sex trade.

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                  It might be if I was using it as the basis for an argument, but as I said, it’s just something I’ve been reading about.

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                Should we punish those sex workers in Bangladesh? I’m not sure why their plight = sex workers should be punished.

                Sex work is fucking terrible. I have PTSD from some of the acts I was forced to participate in. Do you know why I was forced to participate in those acts? Because sex work is illegal, and advocating for myself in any way was impossible. Someone could choose not to pay me for my work, and because what I was doing was illegal, I had no recourse. I have often had to allow men to not use condoms or do really fucked up shit, because my other option was not getting to eat.

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            Yeah, before neoliberalism prostitution didn’t exist, so clearly it is good to victimize prostitutes, as that’s just sticking it to neoliberals, the ones who invented prostitution.

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            Do you think sex ed somehow cheapens sex? People understanding sex only makes it better for everyone in every way.

            There is nothing about sex ed that teaches anyone that sex is a commodity. My experience in public school was there was no morality involved whatsoever. It was very sterile and 100% about learning technical shit about how our bodies work. Invaluable information, I might add.

            And I grew up in what many would consider a liberal area, especially in terms of our local public education.

            Freaks like you who are obsessed with which genitals a child has, are incapable of separating the physiological aspects of sex from the emotional ones. Sex ed is not sexy, dude, it was awkward as fuck. If anything, it turned me off of sex.

            It’s like saying that learning about the chemical processes used to make meth in chemistry class is the same thing as smoking it.

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              I’m an advocate of facilitated discourse and was highlighting what causes such polarisation in attitudes towards sex work/workers. Since some people view it as fundamentally immoral, that’s a very difficult bridge to cross.

              Sex education is incredibly important and I’m amazed how bad it remains in many parts of the world. I’m unsure how or where children’s genitals come into this.

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        Especially when her “Ways to Spot A Dangerous John” course wasn’t approved by the principal.

        It’s always a sign that you have a great argument when you straight up make up facts.

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          Seriously. This is a human being we’re talking about, who’s now lost her livelihood, and will possibly need to resort to prostitution again to make a living because of it.

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            Sounds like she was escorting at the time which despite being prostitution in a trenchcoat it’s legal in Texas.

            Which is even more fucked because what she was doing was legal but still got fired.

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        You’re acting like she introduced herself to her students as a former prostitute. The kids never would have known if these asshole adults didn’t dig into her past like it mattered.

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        It is massively naive to think that zero of the people who are students right now will ever do sex work at some point in the future. Some of them definitely will. Even if you don’t agree that sex work is valid and honorable work (which you clearly don’t agree with) there’s no way to stop people from doing it despite how vilified or illegal it is in any society.

        Given that reality, a course teaching people how to avoid the dangerous elements of a job that some of those people will eventually do, sounds like a great course. Having a sex worker who knows WTF she’s talking about teach it? That’s fucking amazing.

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    I paid for my teaching degree by working as a prostitute. Prostitutes aren’t extra horny degenerates or something, they’re just folks trying to survive. I’d probably be a better teacher if I could still do it, because I could cut back the hours at my second job 🤷‍♂️

    Seems like we hold teachers to higher standards than CEOs and politicians, for less money than a Walmart GM makes…

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      More like hold women to stricter standards than men.

      Men can and are celebrated for being absolute sluts. Hell, its actively encouraged in most spaces.

      Woman sleeps with more than 2 people and an inordinate amount of people will look down upon her and say all kinds of horrific things.

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      It’s almost like we should be paying you more… But… Nahhh, MuH tAxEs!!! Wahhhh!

      Sorry we all collectively suck so much :(

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      Sex is legal, selling thing is legal but selling sex is… Illegal?

      Can someone show me the logic here?

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          I’m sure all societies have prostitution. Just because something is widespread doesn’t make it right.

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            So what’s the solution? Thousands of years of making it illegal to some degree or another does not seem to work.

            Or perhaps sex is deeply ingrained in the human psyche just as much as food is, and we shouldn’t consider that a problem?

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              Murder has been there since the beginning and making it illegal doesn’t seem to work. Should we just make legal? I think prostitution only plays into women being sexual objects for men.

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                  What even was that persons comparison. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills sometimes. How are sex and murder even slightly related? I’m sure if I was 14 again I’d say something like “they give and take life, they are two sides of the same coin” or something like that that totally misses the fucking point.

                  ^(I’m replying to you because last time replied to one of these people directly I was botted for like a week. )

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                …if you go to Pahrump, NV where prostitution is legal, those women are independent contractors who set their own prices and can turn anyone that they don’t feel comfortable with serving away. Additionally, clients must use protection AND the women have police on a panic button if anyone gets out of hand.

                Compare that to the women who prostitute themselves illegally and are subjected to all the dangers of rape, abuse, and murder.

                I used to think like you. While I was researching a paper I was writing (arguing against the legalization of prostitution mind you), I ended up at a completely different conclusion. My conclusion did not support my thesis and I wrote it that way.

                Open your mind a bit, and see that legalization protects EVERYONE (except prudes I guess)

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                  the women have police on a panic button if anyone gets out of hand.

                  Wonder what the response time is on that button press? Would have thought they would employ bouncers on-site to handle that kind of thing.

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                Equal opportunities damn it, men can also be prostitutes! Didn’t you know that women also enjoy sex? It’s quite possible, believe it or not, that women might fancy some sexy time too.

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                There are many situations where sex is ethical and acceptable, it is simply when money becomes involved it magically becomes illegal. Private citizens have sex all the time and there’s nothing wrong with that. The same is not true for murder.

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        It’s always downhill, for Israel and Gaza a downhill fireball because when you attempt to victimise the very patriarchy that gives you freedom you shouldn’t decry losing your freedoms, you see what happen to Afghanistan? No civilization just gangs of terrorists. You get what you asked for, paedophiles and cunts run society like a pack of wolves, no seven wonders for you.

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    The fact that prostitition is illegal over there still baffles me. It’s just a job and if anyone knows about safe sex it’s someone who works a profession tied to it. If i wanted to learn about some hobby i’m sure i could learn more from a professional than some random guy.

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      I’m sure the misogynist gym teacher with the emotional aptitude of a 15 year old who’s partner has to drink themselves ready for the same missionary sex they’ve had for the past decade is a great teacher of sex-ed.

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        we were like 14 years old when dude said “well, today’s the day”. then he took a banana out of one drawer of his desk, and a condom out of another drawer. like they had always been there. like they belonged there. like the box his desk came in said “sturdy construction, faux wood grain paneling, and advanced banana and condom storage solutions.” he then took ten minutes to explain to us that condoms don’t work, and we shouldn’t trust them, and that only by not fucking will we be safe from wrath, rack and ruin. He then tried to put the condom on the banana, struggled with it being upside down for a bit, and BROKE THE FUCKING BANANA.

        This was the state of sex ed in the wilds of Pennsylvania circa 2000

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        “Perfect, all he needs to teach is abstinence anyway” -evangelicals

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          I mean, just my personal opinion, but abstinence does need to be taught as a co-curriculum with a large portion of relationship education (particularly what a good relationship is/has, and what a bad relationship looks like and how to leave it), and stoicism and some other philosophies that demonstrate how forgoing pleasure (for some things, for periods of time) can lead to better outcomes. I don’t want my kid thinking they need to refrain from sex because it’s somehow immoral, but I also don’t want them to jump into every ‘relationship’ that comes their way in school and start having sex with someone who is just using them for their genitals.

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            I never said it shouldn’t be taught at all, the problem is the people that want only abstinence taught. I don’t necessarily believe that teaching stoicism to kids in high-school is going to do much. It’d be best taught around the age of 21 when the brain is closer to finishing development and the individual has better emotional control overall. Teaching about relationships will, as it always has been, ineffective because people don’t want to hear it from someone else, they want to experience it. And they will hold lofty expectations regardless. It’s good to demonstrate and show what abusive relationships look like, but beyond that people won’t listen. There’s a reason that it seems like the amount of abusive and shitty relationships never seems to change.

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        Yeah, or if you’re in [MY LOCATION] the gym teacher who decides to show his junk to his [SPORTSBALL TEAM] and gets nominated to our hall of fame….

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      Christianity, racism and corruption. Politicians love to target poor people, and prostitution is a job that often draws in the desperate. Conveniently, POC make up a large percentage of the impoverished population.

      Sex trafficking is out of control in the US, yet it’s never talked about by politicians. Even with Epstein, the focus was on how terrible he and his accomplices were, not on the actual problem. Not the thousands of other women and girls who are still being trafficked in the US. Legalizing prostitution is pretty much the only answer.

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      I think to just put it on the level of any other basic profession is naive, and I think you know that. I’m on board, but to turn a blind eye to human trafficking is foolish. And to suggest legalizing prostitution would all of a sudden eliminate human trafficking is just as foolish.

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        I’m so sick of people bringing up trafficking whenever prostitution is mentioned. I just don’t understand it. What do cars have to do with any of this?

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        Globally there’s way mor illegal trafficking in construction than in prostitution. So should wo do something there too?

        And yes, legalizing will not eliminate human trafficking, but it would put the blame (and criminalization) away from victims.

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          You’re missing the important point which is that when women sell their bodies it’s icky. Human trafficking only matters if it’s for icky reasons.

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          My god please put a spoiler tag on that word, I’m in the hospital recovering from the worst heart attack the doctors have ever seen! Scared the heebie jeebies right out of me.

          Now excuse me while I look over my $200k hospital bill, might have to sell some organs for this one.

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            Oh shit, I read the first few words of your reply out of context and was horrified at the thought that I may have accidentally spoiled some form of media for someone. I take that shit seriously.

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    I am against prostitution being illegal. I am also against slut shaming. And I am even more against ruining someones future opportunities of ANY kind for having been in the sex work business. But befor you let anyone teach: Make sure they are a teacher. If you want to teach biology (which sex ed is a part of) to children, you better have a degree in biology and teaching, ffs.

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        I AM a teacher. I teach English as a foreign language and Computer Science (just CS right now). I have a gross income of slightly more than 60k a year (59k €). That’s about 3.850€ net a month after health insurance and taxes. I also have a not too shabby pension guaranteed as long as I don’t quit the job. That’s included in “my package”. Also I am tenured. I can only be fired for gross neglect or having an affair with a (minor) student, bribery or things of that nature.

        The “catch” (some say advantage): That’s in Germany, not in Retardistan.

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          I know a teacher in Retardistan (Florida) with a master’s degree and over 30 years experience pulling down just over 40k gross.

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          Different languages and all aside why use the r word as a teacher? It’s really not necessary.

          Also as a teacher from the states please don’t paint such broad strokes. You make it sound shameful to teach.

          Edit: to add to this, the subject of the article wasn’t actually a teacher but part of a council that advised the district school board and curriculum/instruction teams.

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      If you want highly skilled teachers, expect to pay wages and compensations for highly skilled workers.

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        I do expect that. I expect teachers to be very well compensated. You are talking about educating future generations and the sustainability of the country. Not about selling microwaves (nothing against it, it’s just that I consider teachers to be as important to society as firefighters and healthcare workers).

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          I’d take it a step further and say that teaching is the most important job in society and point to everything going on as a result of the failure of the education system as evidence.

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      You had me until the sex work part. I’m sorry, but that DQs you for anything that requires a public image.

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        Nobody wants to deal with the short term issues it raises, aside from the moral police issue. Legalizing it actually increases trafficking in the legalized area, while reducing it in a larger area outside the legal one. This only happens because it’s an island of legality, if it was legal everywhere then trafficking would drop much more everywhere. But Nobody wants to invite the temporary increase by being the first. Germany, for example, has higher sex trafficking than most of Europe. It also ignore the difficulty of regulation, there’s a reason it is so prevalent, even where illegal. There is always going to be a strong pressure on vulnerable women, and enforcing the regulations can be incredibly difficult.

        That’s not to say it shouldn’t be legalized. But these are the challenges it faces.

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      The reason why it’s illegalized in the first place is that when a society has many whores it’s symbolic of people selling their children into the sex trade out of poverty and usually a marker of a failing economy. See Mexico. Prostitution on the rise usually coincides with falls in a variety of economic growth vectors