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      There’s a University of Cork study showing that putting the lid down aerosolises more material so spreads bacteria etc. over the whole room, whereas having the lid open produces a smaller number of larger droplets that nearly all just fall straight back into the toilet. The lid is not sealing the toilet and preventing the need to clean the bathroom.

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          My comment was explicitly pointing out that closing the lid can have the opposite of the intuitive effect and make things worse even though you’d expect it to make them better. It seems that I misrepresented the study’s findings, though, as while closing the lid does make particles remain airborne for much longer, so my overall point is sound, closing the lid does reduce the number of particles that initially become airborne.

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            closing the lid does reduce the number of particles that initially become airborne.

            Significantly – 30-50%.

            So to be clear: close the lid

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              That’s not the conclusion the study’s authors drew. The particles being airborne for longer means they can float further and contaminate things further away from the toilet, and also are more likely to end up inhaled. That could be a bigger problem than the number of particles initially released, so the study didn’t make a recommendation of whether the lid should be up or down. More research is required before anyone should be issuing definitive commands in bold to strangers on the internet.

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    I’m a woman and will leave the seat up at work (not at home)

    We have unisex toilets and truck drivers use them - they regularly wee all over the toilet seats if left down :(

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      if there is a lid - always down

      if there is no lid - always up

      it is the safest, cleanest, fairest option

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      we just leave it down at home. we talked about it one day and everyone with male excretory parts just wants to get off their feet. only time the seat lifts is for cleaning.

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      I’ve thought of this so many times. I’m fact, I’ve thought about a spring-loaded seat hinge that raises the seat unless there’s a person upon it. If the seat is always up, it is much less likely to be urinated upon. It takes the work completely out of the hands of the user.

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    But like, if men pee with the seat up, but both men and women poop with the seat down, then statistically the seat is already down more than half of the time. Now if we enforce a policy like this, that would mean more than half of the times someone walks in and needs the seat to be down is in luck, but the rest has to do double the “work”. And if someone goes in after someone who would have otherwise left the seat up, they too do double the work, so the seat changes position 4 times instead of once. I think it’s much more “just” to simply change the seat whenever you need it and sometimes you will even find it in the position you need it in.

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    Leave the seat down so when you flush you won’t inhale your poop and pee.

    Cmon it’s not hard.

    Edit: and lid.

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      I think just being an organism with an anus leads to higher levels of poop exposure than whatever minuscule amount of particulate matter that manages to aerosolize from an unlided flush

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        Yes, but I already have all the diseases that I have. I don’t need to add all the diseases everyone else has too, or vice versa.

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    I once jokingly mentioned to my wife that leaving the seat up is just as convenient for me as leaving it down is for her. To which she pointed out that, of the four different permutations of toilet use between us, 3/4 require the seat to be down, so all in all, it makes sense to leave the seat down.

    And dammit, I had to marry a logical autistic, didn’t I?

    So now I always (try to remember to) leave the seat down.

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      I tend to sit down to pee most times (at home), so that ratio is even higher for us…

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      At home both of those are invalid. You close the lid before you flush so you don’t spread particles everywhere (among many other benefits)

      Everyone opens the lid/seat to the desired level. Everyone does their business. Everyone closes the lid. Everyone flushes and washes their hands.

      True gender equality!

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      I mean, it’ll be less than 3/4 if you always stand to pee, because people pee more often than they poop (of they hydrate sufficiently and there’s no health issue). But it’ll still definitely be over half, so the result is the same.

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      That’s just basic math. +Sit the fuck down when pissing at home. Who is paying you to stand while taking a piss when you could sit down?

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      I’ve been to men’s restroom before. I wouldn’t sit on that unless extremely necessary. Even then, I’d wipe that ship clean and cover it in toilet paper first

      I do wonder if they all sat whether that’d solve it, though. That is, if it’d be cleaner. Or maybe they don’t need to sit to keep it clean. Idk

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        I’ve worked maintenance for many years and I can assure there is no difference between men’s and women’s rest rooms other than there being urinals, they’re all disgusting, we’re all disgusting, all bathrooms are just wild animal shit houses.

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          Really? I’d expected cleaner. I mean, they sit. I don’t know how women pee, honestly. Like, how the flow goes. But I can say from experience peeing into a toilet while standing up can be difficult. Pee, y u no single stream straight into toilet?

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          From my experience, it depends on where. Malls and things like that where there are many people of all different demographics absolutely are equally disgusting. Semi-private washrooms tend to be less disgusting overall, but women’s are usually at least a little cleaner. Standing to pee causes splashes. Enough human traffic and and the whole place smells like a hamster cage that doesn’t go away unless the whole damn bathroom is flooded in sanitiser.

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            Women piss all over toilet seats and floors all the time, even in fancy places, don’t kid yourself. Any bathroom in any location is only as clean as the staff makes it, if left alone every public or semi-private bathroom would be covered in shit and piss within a day and there are no gender lines. I’ve worked at classy joints and dives and if not tended to by staff every toilet will be covered in piss and shit in ways that I personally cannot comprehend. Women’s only toilets get covered in just as much piss and shit as men’s toilets. Most people don’t ever see both restrooms and assume theirs is either cleaner or dirtier than the opposite gender, but as someone who deals with both on a general basis, animal shit houses the lot of them.

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              Hi. Been in, worked in both. My experience with bathrooms doesn’t invalidate yours. Both can be true. Hell, we’re probably not in the same country, so social norms can play a factor, and like I said before, demographics make a big difference in a lot of things. Which drug residues are left on the back of the toilet, for example.

              I’m sorry you have such strong feelings about people and public bathrooms. It’s definitely a shitty experience (pun intended). It’s a weird hill to die on though.

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      I had a cat that trained me to sit down to pee.

      The only time I could ever get her to purr was when when I was sat on the toilet. So, of course, I began sitting down to pee in order to maximise her purring and fusses. And it kinda stuck.

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      nooooope not putting my cheeks on that unless necessary

      seat up, squat a bit, and aim to reduce splash. wipe when done no matter what it looks like

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      Men that pee standing up (except urinals, or bushes) just like to make their life a tiny bit worse for no reason at all.

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    If you raise it, put it back down when you’re done. If you put it down, put it back up when you’re done. That seems fair.

    Alternatively, if there’s a lid, close the lid when you’re done. Then everyone is equally “inconvenienced”.

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    Biased how. Do the math. Half of us sit down to pee, all of us sit down to shit.

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      Also, as someone with male plumbing, we can also sit down to pee. So everyone can sit to pee, and half of us can’t.

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        not to well actually, but once you figure out a female urinal they are kinda nice. according to my mother who spent all last week texting me every time she used one on her hiking trip

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                My mom was So. Excited. I stopped peeing standing up when I was 25 because legs tired but like I get it when it’s your first week doin it. We told her to aim for leaves and pay attention to which way the wind was blowing because upwind is a mistake you only make once.

                She’s back home from her backpacking trip, I don’t think she’s still using the urinal.

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          The little sleeve thingy? My wife tried to use one but didn’t try it at home first. There was no bathroom/pit toilet out there either. They tried but couldn’t do it. It took me a bit to realize but once you make the connection that literally their entire life they have never had to pee standing up it makes sense that their body is just like nope can’t do it. They ended up holding onto a tree and squatting while I kept watching for critters/moral support. It was dark out and spooky.

          That night I think a raccoon sniffed around our tent which was cool.

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      Biased meaning only men have to do any work, women never have to (if it’s left down always)

      True neutral would be last used position.

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    I put the lid down, don’t want toilet water splashing all over the place when you flush.

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      I put the lid down, too. But only so that the cat doesn’t drink from it.

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    Soft close toilet seats should be standard equipment.

    Then putting the lid down is a matter of a single light push.

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    I never understood the whole “you left the toilet seat up” complaint. Never been an issue in my family but have heard “he never puts the seat down” all the time. Is it that much effort to put the toilet seat down when you need to go?

    Edit: Always close the toilet seat cover, not just lowering the toilet seat. This is for both men and women.