• 5too@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    Whether they deserve it or not, I won’t dehumanize them; because I don’t want to become someone who dehumanizes others.

    I will certainly fight them, I will resist them, but I will not consider them anything but human.

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      5 days ago

      Being a human is very, very different than having humanity. People need to realize these are humans … who willingly betray their humanity.

      They are literally and directly enemies of humanity, who need to be treated as such.

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        4 days ago

        Right - fight them! Resist them! But do not let them push you into being inhuman yourself.

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          4 days ago

          If even namecalling is too much for you, then you do not, in fact, understand how to defeat horrible people, let alone fascists destroying humanity.

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            4 days ago

            I’m not talking about name-calling. Go hog wild with that, it seems fairly effective.

            I’m talking about dehumanizing them. Deciding that any means that will end them is justified. Treating them like feral animals. Harvesting their organs for profit, like outhouseperilous suggested further up. That’s what I’m pushing back on.

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              4 days ago

              While the organ harvesting is a bit much, you must realize how utterly asinine and inept being against violence is when the target is openly vile people who choose to betray humanity.

              Yes, we must always keep context in that these people are bad because they CHOOSE to betray humanity, but remembering context is wholly different than deciding to go against proven means for defeating this hateful, anti-humanity ideology…

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                3 days ago

                Who’s arguing against violence? I’m saying don’t dehumanize them. Humans are quite capable of being monstrous and horrible all on their own.

                Absolutely fight back against the fascists! My grandad did, and I think he’s a fine example to follow. He didn’t have to treat them as something other than people to do that, though. He just treated them as the enemy they were.

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                  3 days ago

                  If treating someone as an enemy isn’t dehumnaizing, I don’t know what is. What you need to realize is, some people betray their title of human, and deserve zero humanity, because they have betrayed the very humnaity you want to preserve.

                  Yes, they’re still humans: The specific animal capable of the worst behaviors imaginable. Some humans do not deserve humanity when they so willingly betray it.

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                    6 hours ago

                    Okay, that’s the disconnect - you do not need to dehumanize someone to consider them an enemy. Police and militaries often do so, because it makes people easier to shoot; but it is not necessary. And the cognitive dissonance of dehumanizing their targets leads to a lot of the issues soldiers face later on. (And oh, hey - look who’s become rife with fascists!)

                    Fascism absolutely needs stopped. It and the people supporting it are an existential threat. But the way that fascism starts out is by treating some people as less than human, as something other. And if you have to make an enemy a nonperson to beat them, then the groundwork is already laid for fascism to return with the next generation - after all, you’ve just shown dehumanizing people can get the results you need, right? Why not make a habit of it?