Careful now, if your head gets any bigger you’ll risk getting all top heavy and falling off your high horse, and that would be undignified!
Seriously, why is celebrating people standing up to a truly abhorrent actor somehow problematic for you? Even the most thoughtless argument in it’s favor, that “fascists might be dissuaded by seeing there are actual consequences for their actions”, is preeeetty goddamn valid. I think you might want to unpack why you’re more eager to defend the “dIgNiTy” of a fascist POS than celebrate the introduction of positive reinforcement in said fascist’s life. Is it really important to you that this shitstain’s honor be defended? You don’t think the fascists don’t have apologists enough already, you just have to throw your support in with their cause?
Just glossing over the whole “fall off your high horse” thing: Man it kinda feels like there’s a lot you should be unpacking here.
For example, conflating fascist apologia as a facet of a desire for universal human rights is some worryingly impressive mental gymnastics. Are you sure the negative reaction your opinion has received isn’t driving you to entrench yourself so deep into your philosophical position that you’re losing sight of the values you held initially? That’s a trap I see well meaning people fall into not infrequently, when they misjudge the depth of feeling other people hold for an issue, or present a petition for peace & love without realizing how smugly condescending it might come across. Seriously, why’re you behaving like this?
No, there are no metal gymnastics needed. There are some basics rights that should always be respected.
Even if your fighting the big-time-nazi-scum-arseholes.
A preachy and moralizing one where we protect the feelings of fascists from being hurt, where preserving “dignity” is more important than fighting back against the people literally killing us, one where legal adults are to be given leniency on their crimes (which again, include enabling countless deaths) due to their youth and status?
Yeah, I think I’m gonna give that society a pass. But feel free to go found the promised nation of Apologia-Land, I’m not about to be so crass as to force my own morality on you. You seem unpleasant enough I wouldn’t take a baton round for you (go learn about how your really vague concept of “dignity” works in the real world) but man, I’m not above pointing out what a bootlickin’ line of thinking you’ve go going on here. War is hell, dude, even culture ones. War reporting is the only way to actually confront people with that reality.
Nobody in this here thread thinks that it’s good we got to this point, but this kind of thing is what’s required to start getting us the hell out of here. It’s deeply, deeply depressing your head is so far up your own morals that you can’t even consider your position beyond the single “dignity” issue.
I know negative reactions make us entrench, but come on. How much of a stretch would it be, say, to push the narrative that you’re just a fascist that’s worried their clapped picture is gonna show up on here, being celebrated? I don’t think that’s what’s happening, but it sure isn’t a hard line to sell given how beautifully your zealously unyielding defense of the fascists lines up with how the fascists are defending themselves.
Careful now, if your head gets any bigger you’ll risk getting all top heavy and falling off your high horse, and that would be undignified!
Seriously, why is celebrating people standing up to a truly abhorrent actor somehow problematic for you? Even the most thoughtless argument in it’s favor, that “fascists might be dissuaded by seeing there are actual consequences for their actions”, is preeeetty goddamn valid. I think you might want to unpack why you’re more eager to defend the “dIgNiTy” of a fascist POS than celebrate the introduction of positive reinforcement in said fascist’s life. Is it really important to you that this shitstain’s honor be defended? You don’t think the fascists don’t have apologists enough already, you just have to throw your support in with their cause?
I felt several times and will certainly fall in the future. Thats human nature. But this wont keep me from believing in universial human rights
Just glossing over the whole “fall off your high horse” thing: Man it kinda feels like there’s a lot you should be unpacking here.
For example, conflating fascist apologia as a facet of a desire for universal human rights is some worryingly impressive mental gymnastics. Are you sure the negative reaction your opinion has received isn’t driving you to entrench yourself so deep into your philosophical position that you’re losing sight of the values you held initially? That’s a trap I see well meaning people fall into not infrequently, when they misjudge the depth of feeling other people hold for an issue, or present a petition for peace & love without realizing how smugly condescending it might come across. Seriously, why’re you behaving like this?
No, there are no metal gymnastics needed. There are some basics rights that should always be respected. Even if your fighting the big-time-nazi-scum-arseholes.
Wait, calling them mean names is depriving them of their dignity! How dare you! Don’t you know those fascists have feelings???
Its more like be placed in the pillory to be publicly shamed
… And that’s a problem?
Depends on the society you want to live in.
A preachy and moralizing one where we protect the feelings of fascists from being hurt, where preserving “dignity” is more important than fighting back against the people literally killing us, one where legal adults are to be given leniency on their crimes (which again, include enabling countless deaths) due to their youth and status?
Yeah, I think I’m gonna give that society a pass. But feel free to go found the promised nation of Apologia-Land, I’m not about to be so crass as to force my own morality on you. You seem unpleasant enough I wouldn’t take a baton round for you (go learn about how your really vague concept of “dignity” works in the real world) but man, I’m not above pointing out what a bootlickin’ line of thinking you’ve go going on here. War is hell, dude, even culture ones. War reporting is the only way to actually confront people with that reality.
Nobody in this here thread thinks that it’s good we got to this point, but this kind of thing is what’s required to start getting us the hell out of here. It’s deeply, deeply depressing your head is so far up your own morals that you can’t even consider your position beyond the single “dignity” issue.
I know negative reactions make us entrench, but come on. How much of a stretch would it be, say, to push the narrative that you’re just a fascist that’s worried their clapped picture is gonna show up on here, being celebrated? I don’t think that’s what’s happening, but it sure isn’t a hard line to sell given how beautifully your zealously unyielding defense of the fascists lines up with how the fascists are defending themselves.