The original Diablo I remember being more thoughtful and slower paced. I liked it. Diablo3 turned into just a brainless light show without much tactics. Less rewarding.
I’m two evenings into a D1 (DevilutionX) single player story run though. Can confirm. Definitely much slower and more deliberate, and not just because they hadn’t invented running yet. Nothing respawns, the world is fixed from the start, so everything is a limited resource. Do I really need to buy this sword now or should I try to hold out for something to drop? Much more strategic gameplay… Slow forward exploration, hiding behind doors and corners letting monsters come to you one by one, stuff like that.
In the later games I’d just whirlwind through everything (spin2win, baby!) and hope for the best. If I need more gold or whatever I can always just save and exit and come back in and run through the area one more time. Definitely not doing that here. Every choice matters, so slow down and make it count.
I agree with most of it, but most players generally would just save and respawn a new map in D1 to get more resources?
Shit, you’re right, I forgot all about that, it’d been so long since I’ve played it. Starting a new game with an existing character keeps your stats/inventory but resets the rest of the world.
I guess I’ll go ahead and buy that sword now.
And so many people defended and still defend Diablo 3, its sad and cringe
Brevik explains that the hordes of enemies take away the personal nature of the ARPG journey. While the enemy count of the original Diablo games were high for their time, the modern takes on the genre have taken the wrong lesson from those originals.
I have to say that that’s a bit of a turn-off for me in roguelikes, too. Like, mowing through hordes of “explosive breeders” – a property that Moria and some child roguelikes, like Angband, had on some enemies – is mind-numbing.
David “don’t make Diablo real-time” Brevik?
I mean, I agree with him on Diablo 3 and 4. But perhaps he’s not the best authority.
What are you talking about? He was opposed making Diablo real-time, but he personally implemented real-time combat and tried it out, and then changed his mind. It’s not fair to say “perhaps he’s not the best authority” when is the one who actually made the change from it being fantasy X-COM to a real-time ARPG, and did it using the platinum standard of the fair shake.
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I mean in the way that he has to try out gameplay changes in order to evaluate their “fun”. Maybe modern ARPGs are too fast or they are now. But I will only believe it when I see a slower one be better.
And I suspect he is the same because it took him to see Diablo in real-time to believe that it was better.
the way that he has to try out gameplay changes in order to evaluate their “fun”
…that’s everyone. Even people who are full of shit and pretend otherwise.
Inb4 “but but but what about shutting your dick in the oven door, do you need to try that to know if you like it?” It’s not the same as this context and you know it.
And to be honest, the answer to that hypothetical is still yes, because some people would discover that they do enjoy it, but they won’t know until they try it.
Are you actually arguing in favor of not testing gameplay changes and instead relying on vibes to make the decision for you?
No, not at all. That is entirely my point. Test the change instead of making blanket statements.
Ok, I was very confused for a moment there.
Way better authority than you hands down
Meh Soldak Studios has utterly schooled this fool at bringing interesting depth and richness to ARPGs without betraying or losing focus of the core gameplay loop and I doubt he has ever even heard of Soldak or any of their games
Din’s Legacy
https://store.steampowered.com/app/911550/Dins_Legacy/?curator_clanid=33045705
Zombasite
https://store.steampowered.com/app/408960/Zombasite/?curator_clanid=33045705
Drox Operative 2
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1305310/Drox_Operative_2/?curator_clanid=33045705
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Yes him, but he’s kind of focusing on RPG progression rather than gameplay speed
