• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Do we actually vote to benefit the rich?

    Many vote for leaders that openly cater to the rich, but I don’t know that we actually consciously vote to deliberately help the rich.

    Those elected people are the ones telling everyone that the rich are the job creators. They used to feed us the farce that trickle-down was viable, they don’t even bother with the lie anymore. The rich are just squatters on wealth. They get that wealth by consolidating businesses, hoarding assets like real estate, creating artificial scarcity, enshittifying everything, and squeezing labor for more productivity while expending massive effort to minimize overall compensation.

    And they own the media. All of it. Even the “liberal” media is mealy at best about taxing wealth or anything critical of the uber-wealthy, anything right of center is openly against tax, particularly of anyone with wealth, making the wealthy the “victims” of the left’s ideas while the wealthy are just parasites victimizing us all.

    All that aside, the real crux of the issue is identity politics. Being a sycophant of the rich is no longer any different than being a evangelical supply-side Jesus CINO, pro-gun, anti-government, anti-tax, anti-environmental regs, blah blah and all the rest of the mulish conservative BS.

    They don’t actually care if we cater to the rich. They care that their team says we should bend over and give the rich everything. Just like their team says school shootings are an acceptable price for having your own personal arsenal, or spreading a potentially deadly disease is better than being inconvenienced by closed restaurants.

    Obstinate tribalism has gleefully supplanted critical thought.

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    Since I didn’t see it listed yet, fear of change.

    Some folks are just fearful of change.

    Rarely is a change proposal black and white. We can show you good data to support the change. We can look at it from a reputable source. We can look at how the change affected others. We can agree it’s most likely a good change.

    But sometimes we fear it.

    What if we’re wrong?

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    They get manipulated about and distracted by certain issues. The people who want power know this and exploit topics such as guns, abortion, fear of crime, racism/nationalism, sexism, economic issues and taxes. Plenty of people vote republican because they have been convinced that Democrats will take their guns, allow in too many immigrants (with the implicit idea that immigrants are bad somehow), be worse on the economy, lower taxes, let criminals get off easy, reduce the influence of Christianity, and so forth.

    There’s also the decades of propaganda about socialism and communism, and against social safety nets as well as government and anything run by the government vs a private entity. So basically, because they’re not very aware or well informed and all themselves to be convinced by propaganda.

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    Two camps

    1. They don’t know any better.

    Basically leftists-in-training that haven’t read enough wikipedia articles on Reagan yet.

    1. People voting and believing political opinions with their gut instinct

    Don’t bother, and if you see one with a nazi flag, punch them in the face.

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    Because our brains are not wired for the modern complex world. Most decisions we make, we make thanks to heuristics that are heavily exploited by other people.

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    Here are a few examples of what I’ve seen them do in the time I’ve been alive.

    • Lowering the amount of educated people by various means such as cutting (on not properly increasing) funding, restricting access to it,…
    • Limiting access to (somewhat) correct information by buying up news media outlets, severely influencing social media, telling people that their “alternative media” is the only way to get correct information, and so much more
    • Actively pitting groups of people against each other, black vs white, immigrants vs citizens, women vs men,…
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      I agree with all of your points but believe there is one more.

      Many vote for their party because that is what their family has always done. To them it is like rooting for their Football or Baseball team. They just want the win and feed off any news stories that support that view. No matter how much of complete failure a Republican President is (G.W.B. Comes to mind) their popularity never drops below 28% - 35%.

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    One reason I have not read yet: scapegoating. In my country, back in the early 2000s it was the “terrorists” who made it possible to enforce a few unpopular and unconstitutional policies. Nowadays, it is the “immigrants” who take our jobs (we have a job shortage), housing (which was sold off to investors) and health care (which was sold off to investors). Point to a group that cannot defend itself and people will vote in your favor.

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    Because the rich do a LOT to make it turn out that way.

    • News is largely controlled by capitalists.

    • Education has been gutted in a lot of places to make way for private schools.

    • Corporations can contribute tons of money to candidates. Setting aside the possibility that these are effectively bribes, even if that weren’t the case, the candidates who get that money get to put out more ads and have more campaign infrastructure such as travel funds, staffers, etc.

    • Various kinds of voter suppression.

    • From the very founding of the country, the election system and government has been set up to hamper political participation. Obviously there was the fairly narrow franchise at the start. But even with that expanded, we have the electoral college, unequal apportionment, gerrymandering, first past the post, closed primaries, a court that’s specifically there to slow down popular will, etc.

    • Just being a representative “democracy” puts a barrier between people and the policies they want. You rarely if ever get to vote on policies. You have to vote for a candidate. And the candidate is a whole bundle of policies, but also a record, a personality, etc. So there can be all sorts of political messaging about candidates which has nothing to do with what their policies are. Because of the duopoly party system that is all but ensured by the aforementioned voting system, you aren’t even going to have a candidate you can vote for that will represent your interests. And after all that, even if you manage to vote for someone who says they’ll do the things you want… then they get into office and you’re back on the sidelines. They go and do whatever it was they actually wanted to do, and you have fairly limited recourse for holding them accountable. The most you can do is decide to vote against them next election, but now you’re back to square one.

    • Broader, more participatory forms of political organizing have been violently repressed. Just look at the history of union busting or the police violence during the civil rights movement or even now, etc. In the workplace, where you’re most likely to find others who share your class interests, your boss has a lot of control over you and it’s in their interest to make sure employees don’t talk politics and view each other as competition rather than potential allies.

    • Along similar lines, racism has been used as a tool to divide people who would otherwise share class interests so they wouldn’t focus their attention on capitalists.

    Moral of the story: There is a long history of people struggling against capitalists for a better life and an equally long history of capitalists using every trick in the book to keep them from that goal. The political landscape you see today is the result of that history. Learn from it.

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    “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

    –Lyndon B. Johnson

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    Because the rich control an overwhelming amount of the media we consume. They are capable of shaping the narrative to their benefit.

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      And, social media, these days nearly as important, if not more important.

      You (very understandably) hear a lot about state-sponsored (especially Russian) astroturfing, but very little about billionaire and company sponsored astroturing, which is very much a thing.

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        This is the most important part.

        And also they push religion hard which is inherently a system of control for the uneducated and exploited.

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          Not just control, but Christianity specifically (as well as a few others) is really good because it promises a paradise after you die.

          You can get idiot plebes to spend their whole lives dreaming about it all being better after they die, because they were pious and accepted abuse during life.

          So, control through fear and hope.

          EDIT: Also Christianity is inherently misogynistic and that’s very appealing to disaffected young men who hate that women won’t fuck them. Angry young men with no direction or group to belong to are one of the most dangerous and destabilizing groups a country can have.

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            Exactly. The “love thy enemy” nonsense always got me too:

            Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you

            • Mathew 5:44

            Think about slavery in history. Christianity was forced upon slaves in US history. Think about current era people working horrible conditions, factories, sweatshops, whatever. What a CONVENIENT verse for the slave owners.

            Just be good, do what you’re told, don’t fight back, and love your enemy (exploiter/persecuter). If you do, promise of heaven like you said.

            But if you disobey (commit murder, dare I say of the person exploiting you), infinite and eternal torture and suffering in hell.

            Also don’t commit suicide, that’s a sin too so straight to hell if you do.

            Its just so fucking obvious.

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              What a CONVENIENT verse for the slave owners.

              reminds me of the joke that in another two thousand years, future archeologists will have no idea what is the difference between butt dial and booty call.

              and yet here we are with piece of shitty fiction written two thousand years ago, being passed in oral tradition and rewritten and retranslated multiple times, and some morons are trying to use it and force it upon others as a guideline how to live a life in 21st century…

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                It’s just as good as any modern piety. Mormons, scientology, or any other weird sect or cult that’s emerged in the last 100 years isn’t more substantial to the modern person. I do hold a special place in my heart* for the love has won people.

                *this was a joke if you are affiliated with love has won take your crazy ass mother god and stay the fuck away from me

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                  i had to google love has won, but this is funny:

                  Leader: Amy Carlson (“Mother God”)

                  i imagine mother god must have pissed lot of people, so yay for feminism 😂

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          I was an atheist for the last 20 years and recently converted to Unitarian Universalist.

          I would say that in the west, this characterization tends to be true. But I do think there are honest faith communities acting with good intent. Unfortunately, there are few.

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          It’s more that the system itself just leaves more and more children behind, as passing kids who aren’t actually making the grade has become the norm because parents are abusive and more apt to harass/harangue and schools are pressured with funding to make sure enough kids are graduating. Teachers themselves are left with few options and there’s still bright kids, they’re just waaaaay in the minority compared to the apparently teeming masses of absolute fuckwits.

          Also, I’m in my 40’s and when I think of the quality and intelligence of the people I graduated with? Well, maybe it hasn’t gotten that much worse, actually. Because I remember thinking everyone around me was a fucking idiot, tempering that thought as I got older, but now I’ve come back full fucking circle to these people are fucking idiots, raising other idiots.

          If kids are dumb today, millennials are on the hook for it, boomers didn’t do this one.

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            I always think of the George Carlin saying…

            "imagine how stupid the average person is… then realize half of all people are stupider than that. "

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            Hey, not ALL millennials are on the hook for this one!

            For instance, I never found anyone to love me, and have kids with. So THERE! You can’t blame ME for idiots today!

            …but also yes. Kids in the 90s, that I went to school with were fucking idiots. Including me.

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            If kids are dumb today, millennials are on the hook for it, boomers didn’t do this one.

            The bulk of older teenagers/college kids are from Gen X, not so much from millennials.

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          “There’s no educating a smart boy.”

          — Terry Pratchett, Thief of Time (Discworld, #26)

          GNU Sir Terry

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          Probably the exception to the rule. I did as well, and constantly find myself at a loss for how it simply doesn’t occur to most people to stop and think about something for a split second as opposed to just impulsively doing whatever.