• Saleh@feddit.org
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    How most dumb people reason.

    I have no personal experience of this thing, so it must mean it’s not real.

    If i dont know, nobody knows.

    you are now banned from Atheist Memes.

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      People aren’t atheist because they have no personal experience proving the existence of a god.

      Atheism isn’t a belief system.

      The lack of evidence for a god is why atheists exist.

      Personal experience and evidence are two different things.

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        Atheism is a belief system. It is the belief that there is no deity.

        The scientific approach is agnosticism. In the absence of evidence, or what one considers evidence, the scientific answer is “i don’t know”.

        Personal experience and evidence are two different things.

        And a lot of what we consider to be scientifically proven, are theories, which are subject to constant change. The best example probably being atomic models and how rapidly they developed in the early 20th century. However that Bohrs atom model of circular movement of electrons around the atoms core was succeeded by more detailed models and the circles being disproved, doesn’t mean Bohr was any less of a scientist or evidence based researcher.

        Meanwhile except for very few physics experts we all just accept that orbitals are the best approximation we have right now, because we read it in some book.

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          Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. It’s not a belief that one doesn’t exist.

          There’s a distinction there. You can look that up. You will find you are mistaken.

          P.s.i find your willingness to trivalise scientific research and discovery as “some book” intollerable.

          In the context of my original point, the difference between a scientific theory and some political monstrosity not believing something because they have no personal experience of the subject is incredibly large.

          Don’t try to legitimise that clown.

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            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

            Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

            Agnosticism is the view or belief that the existence of God, the divine, or the supernatural is either unknowable in principle or unknown in fact. It can also mean an apathy towards such religious belief and refer to personal limitations rather than a worldview. Another definition is the view that “human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist.”

            Aside from that, whether you accept and believe scientific discoveries remains a subjective choice. In social sciences like history or economics it often happens that two contradictory views are equally legitimate. And again the look in the past is valuable. Many scientists were ridiculed, sometimes even persecuted for their ideas to be outside the consensus of their time.

            Assuming that what you consider the accepted truth because it is the accepted opinion of our day and age could proof equally fallible like the ancient Greeks and Romans ridiculing the now accepted germ theory, for which we have ample evidence thanks to the development of microscopes.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease#Greece_and_Rome

            So your original ridicule is perfectly viable. It just not only applies to the statements of Tucker Carlson, who i probably despise equally as you do.

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              Richard Dawkins argued that agnostic is a meaningless term. He said that anyone who is given irrefutable proof of the existence of something and still refuses to believe is a fool and that non-theist is the better term for people that don’t buy into the whole god thing.