While I love legit, informational, open-minded arguments in general, there were a couple hate-speech attacks against a recent, Belgian/Jewish-themed post here that immediately smashed our #1 rule here (“Netiquette”) to bits.
Those came from two individuals in particular (same instance), and disgusted both myself and my co-mod.
I want to remind everyone here-- for anyone new to this community, it’s both common-sense and classic Netiquette to suggest that if one wants to argue hard, it’s best to start with some politeness where possible.
The two banned can appeal, if they like. I’m not opposed to talking things out, assuming good-faith is involved.
I also want to clarify that the original comic by no means attempted to ‘pick international sides.’ It was in fact an attempt to depict internal strife between people within a small community. That, and nothing more.
EDIT: I’ve made some major revisions in my message above, seeking for better clarity. Thank you for re-reading.
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posts dehumanizing pro-genocide propaganda
why are people mean to me 😞
don’t conflate judaism with israelis and don’t think that the racist label of “semitic” was ever anything but anti-semitic.
Simply nothing of what you (and other hexbears) claim has happened here. You guys seem to instantly turn off your brains and jump to false conclusions once you see anything related to Jewish people living their lives. The posted comic in fact depicts an argument between two Jewish neighbors, one from Europe, one from North Africa. Nothing in it is dehumanizing Palestinians or even touching the conflict between Israel and Palestine. Read the material from the first post again, this time slowly and carefully and you might still get it.
it wasn’t racist towards palestinians but jews from africa
Sorry no, you can´t claim some made up bullshit and then just nonchalantly move the goalposts to another planet when you get called out for it. You lied about pro-genocide propaganda being posted here and you should apologize to !johnny_enzyme@lemm.ee for that.
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posts dehumanizing pro-genocide propaganda
I never did, so don’t you dare put that on me. Neither did the post.
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Sorry to hear, glad you managed to keep the rules of the sub enforced.
I would just ban and not feel bad if I were you. They’re not here to contribute to the community, they’re happy having communities fall apart if it gives them a chance to “dunk on the libs”. Just more political weirdos
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I really really wish your posted comic had had a different thumbnail. I’m sure most people didn’t click through to read the rest of the comic.
Agreed
I feel that’s a really good point.
For the life of me, I couldnt figure out if Chris Farley or Fatty Arbuckle… *joking, not joking
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“Fuck you twice for both-sidesing a genocide” is all I got for you (and that goes double for your froggy friends, too). This is not between “Pales-people” and “the Jewish”, this is between the SOVEREIGN NATION of Palestine and illegal, illegitimate, settler-colonial genociders.
Fuck you twice for fixing your face to try and represent it any other fuckin way, collaborator.
Why the mean-spiritedness of that? Why the need to put down other people?
Is it wrong for me to defend my friends, colleagues, and other peoples?
Me, most of my personal roots come what are known as the “Ancient Americas,” spiced-up with conquering Euros. We are now a blend, so what? It’s the new-reality; didn’t you get that memo?
Is it wrong for me to defend my friends, colleagues, and other peoples?
If your friends and colleagues are genociders or waterbearers for such, then yes. We are not friends. We are not even allies. Fuck who you are, fuck what you believe, I spit on all of it. There is no worse or more hateful fate than being blended with genocidal europeans-- specifically because it leads to the same collaborationism you purportedly espouse.
You won’t get your hands dirty, no, never that; but you’ll cheer on the people who will.
That is why you perceive ‘mean-spiritedness’ from me. Because it is genuine, earned hate. Because I see no reason to not hate you the exact same way I hate the people who stole my ancestors from their motherland; the same way I hate the people who kill the descendants of those ancestors; the same way I hate the people turning Gaza into a burn pit.
I will be watching with bated breath the day your society finally, rightfully falls.
And vice-versa, only when convenient, right?
The difference is…
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I see you’ve learned absolutely nothing, and likely never will…
Oh, well?
First you claim to be against genocide. Then you write:
I will be watching with bated breath the day your society finally, rightfully falls.
What kind of mental gymnastics is that supposed to be? Obviously you are indeed in favor of genocide, as long as only Jewish people are the victims of it. Or what exactly do you think would happen to its Jewish citizens, if Israel were to “fall”, as you trivialize it?
Or what exactly do you think would happen to its Jewish citizens, if Israel were to “fall”, as you trivialize it?
What makes you think I care about the lives of genocidal settlers for? There are no jews in the illegitimate settler-colony; those are all zionist settlers-- which is to say I hold them in the same disregard I hold Amerikan, British, Dutch, French, Spaniard, and German settlers. I pray that the Jews who recognize Israel as a genocidal blasphemy toting their name as a shield got the fuck outta there before shit popped off, but if they align with the settlers, adios and arrividerci, motherfucker.
Centuries of humiliation and collapse upon you and yours, bloodmouth. If you want to be angry at someone, be angry at yourself for being on the wrong side of history.
You are so hung up on seeing the world in black and white that all you got left is toxic and misanthropic hate speech. A well differentiated discussion about a topic as complex as the Israel-Palestine conflict is obviously not possible with you.
So as you can see from that recent diatribe, there is no rational debate, no reasoning, or even the faintest hint of willingness to be civil. There is just what you allow to pollute the site. Hamas got banned from Twitter and now rots Lemmy. It is up to you whether to allow it to continue, but do not make the mistake of thinking that attitude is a one-off, or won’t constantly try to get its digs in every chance it can if you do.
Agreed, we allowed this to go too far and for too long. I promise faster bans in the future, sorry for any inconvenience caused by our hesitation.
OMG, thank you for explaining that. I get kind of emotional at times, but what you said was… schön?
I really tried to stay out of the discussion but damn, that bs made me fucking angry!
Lol you genocide lovers crack me up.
Decades of rockets
