my other account: https://hexbear.net/u/mathemachristian
The point about how israel wouldn’t be necessary if jews weren’t persecuted? I think I made it clear that the persecution was used as a cudgel to move bodies to the colony, not that the colony was established as a safe haven for jews.
Because if it truly was about helping jews the racism against non-white jews wouldn’t exist.
it wasn’t racist towards palestinians but jews from africa
Modern israel was built on the idea of colonialism, not giving jewish people a homeland. That’s why Herzl wrote Rhodes and visited some of the most horrendous antisemites of his time like the russian czar. To him the jewish people were nothing more than bodies to settle the colony he wished to build (similar to rhodesia). Why else would the y have contemplated argentina at some point for instance? Why the lost generation of the mizrahi jews? The forced sterilization of ethiopian jews?
Zionism is racist and at it’s core anti-semitic since it wields the suffering of the jewish people as a shield to legitimize it’s settler colonialism.
posts dehumanizing pro-genocide propaganda
why are people mean to me 😞
don’t conflate judaism with israelis and don’t think that the racist label of “semitic” was ever anything but anti-semitic.
Israel is built on genocide, it’s perpretaing genocide, it’s only propped up by the US because it’s profitable for it to do so. Yeah everything about it is controversial, not least of all it’s appropiation of judaism.
third times the charm right?
then why do this kind of literal bullshit? who’s that meant for?
Drumpf owned! Because we cant argue against his support for the palestinian genocide or the border wall and concentration camps we made a statue of him out of shit.
In my case my hexbear account is an alt of my lemm.ee account
My point was that there was much more good faith discussion from hexbear than from OP, I think the posts you copied here illustrate that nicely.
Also
Poor oppressed Putin!
shows how little you understand these arguments, the argument you post after that is meant to illustrate how Putin is an oppressor, not a oppressed or a speaker of the oppressed.
They’re detailed, they’re sourced and they give a coherent explanation. You can call them crock or whatever but it’s something you can actually argue against. None of this applies to the responses OP gave.
Also you’re really not understanding what is being said about the nazis in ukraine, namely that they are in power and control of the military. Which is an argument Im not gonna get into since I don’t know enough about it, but there is more to it than the "ukraine is imperfect because it has nazis and this is enough justification case closed. " argument you claim is being put forth.
“Ukraine isn’t a utopia, therefore it’s a dystopia”.
What?
More to the point, OPs replies were worse or non-existent. If you are going to bring up the ukraine war in a forum that is known to be on the other side of your argument you should have a better explanation than “Putin wants to revive the USSR” or at least something to back it up. Or at least engage the people trying to explain their viewpoints.
Except these replies are made to illustrate the viewpoints held by the commenters and not meant to be dunks. Rather obviously imo. Yet OP is claiming he only got called mean words and no one explained to them why they think what they think.
There absolutely were good faith explanations but OP didn’t engage with any of them in kind but chose to keep replying to the dunks instead.
More the fact that they got detailed replies but their best counter in that whole thread where the two replies where they quickly google some shit and paste the first results and provided no thoughts of their own.
again youre misrepresenting. you got several well articulated lengthy explanations and dismissed them or didn’t reply.
I was on lemm.ee when I got radicalized, all my life Ive been exposed to people claiming all sorts of things. I was a pro-NATO pro-Ukraine anti-ussr anti-china average reddit lib that they were able to convince otherwise.
Here is a sample of the enriching experience they brought to the site: https://lemm.ee/post/41483398/14572285
and I’ll leave it to you to figure out why I’m not posting with my hexbear alt on lemmy.world
Im going to link your conversation here, where people were giving you detailed responses and you just kept shrugging them off so others can judge for themselves:
but they are linking a lot of outside sources. That’s what I mean by “backing their claims up”, studies about covid, about the ukraine war, about Israel, it’s not just someone making a claim and then everyone is nodding along.
What I am saying is they were able to completely upend the way I see the world and you just can’t do that by claiming thengs and linking to some other claims you make.
who’s leaning in for a kiss in this analogy?