• rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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    4 months ago

    But - debates don’t better yourself. Only your debating skills in particular get better. It’s a return to Middle Ages with theologists publicly “defeating” heretic and Jewish and Muslim philosophy.

    And “turn” is an interesting word, making the association even stronger.

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      4 months ago

      If you’re debating in good faith you are bettering yourself by improving your understanding of a different view point, and letting your own views be challenged so you can reassess if you still hold them.

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            4 months ago

            Well, this comment of yours doesn’t look like a good faith argument.

            What I meant is that it takes two sides for one. And when two people are ready to argue in good faith, one may downgrade the level of contention from “argue” to “discuss” without any loss.

            (For me and my sister it would still be “argue”, but we are just rude to each other.)

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              Well, this comment of yours doesn’t look like a good faith argument.

              Neither did your comment of

              So who debates in good faith and how often?

              Someone JAQing off is not having a good faith argument, and it does not invalidate my argument if I don’t waste effort on someone who isn’t continuing in good faith.

              I see the argument you’re hinting at, and it doesn’t invalidate the argument either, but I’m not going to spend time debating an argument you haven’t bothered to actually make.

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                4 months ago

                You are making a good example of a person who maybe thinks they can argue in good faith but very clearly doesn’t, with emotional pressure and such.

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                  it does not invalidate my argument if I don’t waste effort on someone who clearly isn’t continuing in good faith.