Why are people so intent on this meme?
Bruce Wayne is literally the kind of .1%er that can only live in fiction: an actual good one, that uses his wealth ethically in all the ways no one with that degree of wealth would ever do in the real world.
Not unlike how Batman is the ideal fantasy vigilante taking the law into their own hands (i.e. uncorruptible, unbiased, and uncompromising in his ethics), Bruce Wayne is the ideal fantasy billionaire that isn’t a drain on humanity.
Neither are realistic, neither exist in real life, and that’s the whole damn point. It’s aspirational and escapist.
It’s the reason why Lex Luthor is a villain and Bruce Wayne isn’t.
People are exactly as intent on imagining Batman as a real world evil billionaire, as they are on imagining Elon Musk as a comic book superhero billionaire.
A lot of people consuming superhero media are kids who don’t know how the world works. They’re learning about the real world from paying attention to the mundane parts of comics and movies. I learned what an insurance agent is from watching The Incredibles. Most kids these days know what a Walkman is because of GOTG.
Kids know Batman isn’t real because they don’t see anyone talking about real batman in real life. But they hear grownups saying billionaires have their best interests at heart, so they don’t question Bruce Wayne.
If your argument is we can have any unreasonable myth we want in comics, why not have Aryan Man, the genetically perfect superhero created by white supremacist eugenics? Batman is a problematic myth on par with Aryan Man.
How do you know he uses his wealth ethically? When you’re a billionaire, your money is not sitting in a bank. Your money is out there working for you, growing.
The many examples of him doing so in the source material?
If you have a billion then the very act of keeping it all means you are making someone else life harder.
uncorruptible and uncompromising in his ethics.
Yet that’s the source of so much suffering because the system is incapable of confining super villains. Yeah comic code rogues gallery etc.
He was trying to save his love by freezing everything and she wanted plants to become the dominant lifeform on the planet. So yes, we’re rooting for the billionaire that has a better adjusted moral compass than those two yahoos.
Thats just billionaire propaganda.
Does killing the billionaire solve anything though? The system will just put some other stooge in his position instead. Systemic change is the only way to solve this.
Gotta play dominos with them. Everytime one pops up- knock em dead. I mean down. Wink wink.
1st. That’s not dominoes, that’s whack-a-mole
2nd. Hell yeah, let me grab me mallet
I mean yeah if every CEO or VP or whatever who doesn’t agree to immediately addressing climate change gets dead, then you’ll probably be left with a leadership that is willing to address climate change. In the comics, too.
Get dead is the best band
It’s the third rule of Anarchy Camp: If you see someone taking charge you’re expected to beat them.
If I had a button that when pressed would kill the richest person in the world, I’d press it until I physically couldn’t any more. Hopefully the remaining millionaires would have the sense to see what’s happening and spread their wealth more evenly amongst people, and every now and again, I’d press the button a few more times just to keep things from reverting.
Killing a billionaire does nothing but presenting the idea that being among the richest people would result in some regular, omnipotent death would do a lot.
Poison ivy would argue we don’t have time for systemic change. She’s doing what is in her power to do. She’d probably say that if your potted fern is droopy, it needs to be in the sun. But if you can’t afford a place with sun, maybe you need to do what you can now, and get a grow light.
She’s doing what is in her power to do.
…but her actions don’t actually achieve anything other than fulfilling some sort of revenge/punishment fantasy.
The billionaire isn’t personally responsible for the emissions, and the companies will continue to operate without him. If we’re not talking systemic change (i.e. government-mandated, I guess?), then she needs to either target the businesses/facilities/supply chains directly, or convince the billionaire (or someone else with power in the companies) to change things.
superheroes aren’t here to solve problems, they’re here to maintain the status quo
The Incredibles movies are even better examples, IMO.
Edit: by the way, this part of that video seems like a nice rebuttal to link in threads where pearl-clutchers bitch and moan about “disruptive” protests.
Well if they can’t convince the billionaire, maybe she can convince whoever inherits the billionaire’s ownership. If not, there’s always the next in line.
Historically this has had mixed results
How is the guy emitting a shit ton of emissions and being in charge of so many companies that emit even more emissions not responsible?
Couldn’t be the one directly responsible for it, but he for sure is the one ripping all the benefits and paying none of its costs.
She’d probably say that if your potted fern is droopy, it needs to be in the sun. But if you can’t afford a place with sun, maybe you need to do what you can now, and get a grow light.
Reminder that Ivy cares more about plants than people. She would consider tearing down part of your wall so the fern can get natural light even if it means you will die of exposure to be a perfectly sane solution.
Eh, depends on continuity and the writer. This is clearly a more moderate version
So murder people for checks notes no benefit? That’s just an idiot.
after the 15th or so killed in a 6 month period things might start changing. Maybe.
One way to find out.
Have you ever heard of Death Note? I think you might like it.
This is what we are taught.
But what we want is to change the system. And those specific people of that specific class are what stands in the way of many/all.Tl;dr: Ivy is a hero, the hero we need.
In that condition she could probably have convinced him to “legally” deed all his properties to her. (She would need to be able to enthrall everyone in the room when it happens, otherwise witnesses will testify he wasn’t of sound mind, but that seems like something she could solve.)
It gets complicated after that, though, lots of shareholder suits if she does anything too drastic. Maybe she converts all those assets into investments in renewable energy, which would keep shareholders off her back.
Then she only has to deal with assassin squads sent by the rest of the oil stakeholders but, again, that seems like a problem she could solve.
If he “owns a third of them” doesn’t that mean he’s the shareholder? At the very least a significant minority shareholder.
Give me that story as gory anime! 😂
We can sure start with that
I mean… if you play whack-a-mole long enough, eventually they’ll get the message.
Ask France if it works.
Didn’t the revolution spiral out of hand, allowing Napoleon to seize power and crown himself emperor, leading to a series of wars that killed millions of people?
Look, it might have got a little out of hand but ask yourself:
Does the HRE or the French Monarchy still exist?
Not since the Third Republic. But directly after Napoleon, power went back to the monarchy for like 50 years, so I’m not sure how much credit the guillotine deserves.
A 50 year relapse to eradicate an infection that lasted for 1300 years ain’t bad.
The reality is the French Revolution is why most of Europe is democratic now, it demonstrated more than anything else until the Russian Revolution that the “commoners” could not only win a war against the entrenched nobility, but that those nobles should be very, very fuckin scared of the idea and maybe get on board with the idea of a constitutional monarchy if nothing else.
As I get older, the more I feel like Batman is billionaire propaganda. Like I get that it’s fiction. But they want us to root for the billionaire and that fucking annoys me.
This is the subtext of the Nolan trilogy. Batman makes everything worse and literally everyone tells him that to his face, but he doesn’t listen due to belief in his own exceptionalism. The only good thing he ever does is at the end of the third movie he fucks off forever.
My man, if every billionaire had the ethics and morals of batman we’d be a much better place.
Not everything in life is a conspiracy theory. Him being a billionaire is a cool concept precisely because most billionaires are assholes. Not to mention it’s the only way he could afford all his gadgets.
He could instead afford to do something significant about climate change, but no. “He’s a cool guy.”
Bruce Wayne already is.
He is the single biggest charity funder in the entirety of Gotham, he helps the homeless, gives criminals jobs so they can get their life straight, he is like the complete opposite of our billionaires.
Read this comic if you want to see the real Batman at the end:
https://mediachomp.com/harley-quinn-and-poison-ivy-save-a-little-girl/
Sure. But he’s close enough with a guy who is personally about .3*.7=one fifth responsible for global emissions, and apparently hasn’t thought to confront him about it until now?
When Batman was created no-one even knew the term climate change…
Again, it’s a fucking comic ffs
I felt they were using the fact that Batman is an orphan, and being a billionaire is an excuse to explain how he can fund his… hobby?
But I could see the billionaire propaganda aspect as well. I guess it depends on the author’s intent.
I definitely doubt the average comic author is pro billionaire. I think having an absurdly rich protagonist is just interesting for plot, not just does it easily justify the funding, but it easily generates a lot of plot hooks.
Growing up, I absolutely loved Peter Parker as just being the average broke kid, but I was never excited by the plot that generated that was largely school drama or conversations in small apartments.
On the other hand, there are plenty of cool things that Bruce Wayne gets to do. Sometimes he blends in with high society functions and you get an almost James Bond style investigation and sometimes you capture that Dracula style recluse skulking in his enormous manor, and both of those are very evocative even before you consider how it funds his heroics.
The question is what were they thinking on 1939, any comics that came after Batman was popular are just stuck with the formula.
Come to think of it, growing up I remember thinking of certain scenes, like he goes to temples to meditate, “to find himself” or “fight his demons” or whatever, or joining fight club-style events with randos, again “to find himself” or for the fun of it, who knows - and even then I was thinking “damn, I guess it’s good to have that much money to act like a clueless brat!”
Nah it’s just an excuse for where his character gets his cool toys.
It’s right-wing propaganda in general.
Who’s the hero? One of the richest men in the city.
Who are his allies? The cops.
Who are the enemies?
- An immigrant who wears a mask
- A psychiatrist
- A psychologist
- A female environmentalist
- A male environmentalist
What happens when his enemies are defeated? They are sent to a mental hospital… a mental hospital that is falling apart and chronically underfunded. That leads to them escaping, giving Batman another excuse to go beat them up.
If Mr. Wayne is a billionaire and very influential in city politics, the way they always portray him, shouldn’t he be advocating tax increases on the wealthy, and using that money to fix up the city… or at the very minimum to fix up Gotham Asylum?
I never understood this… Poison ivy isn’t a misunderstood anti-hero, she’s a villain. She’s not a villain because she wants to save the world from pollution or climate change.
She’s a villain because she’s a mass-murderer and terrorist.
Also, Batman isn’t opposed to her environmentalism, and a ton of his rogues’ gallery are rich assholes. A situation like this would be likely to end in Batman stopping Poison Ivy and sending her to Arkham, but also stopping the billionaire’s plans through destroying his project, exposing his plans, finding a reason to send him to jail, etc. It very much might involve kicking the shit out of a billionaire. More or less radical depending on who’s writing that story.
And really, not to be a wet blanket, but Batman’s been written by tons of people over nearly a century. Depictions of him and his surrounding characters are going to vary. Poison Ivy tends to be more of an antihero nowadays as her cause has only gotten more sympathetic.
but also stopping the billionaire’s plans through destroying his project, exposing his plans, finding a reason to send him to jail
I think you’re missing the point here – that Bruce Wayne is the billionare she’s talking about.
…who do you think the other guy in the comic is?
Poison ivy isn’t a misunderstood anti-hero, she’s a villain.
Recent comics have changed her from outright villain to eco-friendly Punisher as far as I know.
And more will die this year from record high heats than batman could ever save
whaaaat? are you trying to say the villain can have bad intentions? you cant do that, thats illegal!
I don’t think killing him will solve anything. It just changes the owners.
Killing the first one probably won’t any more than killing a single mouse doesn’t stop an infestation, but once the mice realize that you got a couple of cats they will find the exit.
That’s why you need to put traps by the exit too, the mice know too much and might potentially regroup to return with better tactics. You’ve got to get them all in one swift purge.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to take their money than their lives? Use the pheromones to make the billionaire transfer all his assets to groups fighting climate change.
It’s not the death that stops billionaires. It’s the fear of death.
No but it might make the new owners think a bit.
The thing is that we’ve gone through multiple generations of new owners each thinking a bit more than the last. Now they know how to appear decent while continuing to exploit earth, humans and other animals.
And people keep voting for their puppets.
I think it’s worth a shot.
He throws great parties! He loves beautiful women, and many of them are on the younger side.
A Poison Ivy vs Lex Luthor story could be pretty cool
Literally Season 4 of Harley Quinn.
Perhaps Robot Chicken episode too.
Sex Luthor. Sexy Lexy.
And the plant.
Who is the artist?
Been searching to no avail. Anyone know the artist?
Thank you!
