• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Given that hypersonic weapons didn’t exist until a few years ago, we don’t know what the advantages of each technology are. What we do know, however, is that hypersonic weapons are being used with great success. Whether stealth bombers can perform the role they’re designed for is a still a question because nobody tried pitting them against modern air defences. What part of this are you still struggling with?

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      I’m struggling with what’s the role of hypersonics if air defense penetration is already covered by the b2.

      The US has tested stealth bombers against s300, because they got some. But they obviously don’t release the results publicly. They also have arrays that can emulate other capabilities like s400. So the US knows how effective stealth bombers are, and decided they were good enough at penetration not to need hypersonics. Now Congress and China getting carriers changed their mind.

      https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-military-has-s-300-systems-reports-143425

      When has a hypersonic missile (not the ballistic missiles strapped to planes Russia uses) penetrated heavily defended airspace? (There may be some, I know Russia definitely claims it, but I haven’t seen good proof yet)

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        I’m struggling with what’s the role of hypersonics if air defense penetration is already covered by the b2.

        Something that has been explained to you repeatedly with examples. If you’re still not capable of understanding what’s been explained to you, then it’s safe to say there’s not much point trying further.

        The US has tested stealth bombers against s300, because they got some.

        S300 is an old system. US has never used bombers against modern air defence, and I’ve already provided you with sources showing that modern radar systems can detect them. Naturally, you ignored that since it doesn’t fit with your narrative. All you’ve done here is just regurgitate the same points that have been addressed repeatedly, while ignoring the answers.

        When has a hypersonic missile (not the ballistic missiles strapped to planes Russia uses) penetrated heavily defended airspace? (There may be some, I know Russia definitely claims it, but I haven’t seen good proof yet)

        And these aren’t even the fastest hypersonics Russia deploys.

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          What system are you thinking? I’m sure the US can emulate it. Obviously systems can detect stealth aircraft if they’re right on top of them, it just makes the targeting effective radius small enough to be nearly useless. Detecting doesn’t mean much if it’s just a notification that there’s a stealth aircraft somewhere within 100mi.

          The sources you gave earlier about detecting stealth are low frequency radars. And they said they’re good for detecting stealth fighters. Stealth bombers are more tuned for low frequency. (hence their goofy shape) Plus low frequency is very very difficult to get a direction to the target because of it’s scattering, it moreso just tells you there’s something there.

          Kinzhal (the missile the articles are talking about) is the ballistic missile I was taking about, it’s not a hypersonic maneuvering missile.

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            Detecting doesn’t mean much if it’s just a notification that there’s a stealth aircraft somewhere within 100mi.

            Guess how long it takes a hypersonic weapons to cross 100mi.

            The sources you gave earlier about detecting stealth are low frequency radars. And they said they’re good for detecting stealth fighters. Stealth bombers are more tuned for low frequency.

            This is publicly known unclassified technology, if you don’t think that military tech is more sensitive then what can I say.

            Kinzhal (the missile the articles are talking about) is the ballistic missile I was taking about, it’s not a hypersonic maneuvering missile.

            And best US air defence system can’t even deal with it, let alone faster missiles. Thanks for making my argument for me. Meanwhile, Russia will now be exercising patrols around US coast with ships capable of carrying nuclear capable Zircon missiles, that can hit US mainland in seconds.

            https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-naval-air-exercises-caribbean/

            Also, maybe you can explains why burgerland is testing hypersonic missiles. According to your “logic”, there is no reason for US to be trying to build them since its already got stealth bombers. Yet, for some weird reason, US military doesn’t think they’re enough. It’s as if your whole argument is complete bullshit.

            https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/asia/us-tests-hypersonic-missile-pacific-guam-intl-hnk-ml/index.html