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    Corporations aren’t run in a neoliberal way, though. They’re usually run pretty much as a sort of a communistic hierarchy: decision-making is hierarchical and centralized; resources of all kinds are pooled; uniformity in behavior and looks is encouraged; internal and external propaganda is strong; and internal competition is discouraged. And finally, most of the benefits of the work, i.e. money, goes to the top.

    So yeah, countries definitely aren’t corporations, but the end result of that thought isn’t perhaps what you imply.

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      8 months ago

      Communistic hierarchy? Wtf are you talking about?

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        there’s a school of thought among people that don’t know wtf they’re talking about which equates communism with authoritarianism

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          Decades of red scare does weird things to a people

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            Red scare has a different tone to it when you live right next to Soviet Union.

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              I assume it’s better than living in a South American country that just voted in someone left of center…

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        I’m talking about every instance when communism has been tried, instead of some fantasy theory that never seems to materialize.

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      Corporations (…) usually run pretty much as a sort of a communistic hierarchy

      Wtf are you on about?? Typical corporate government is very much a feudal system where a few lieges receive the vast majority of the wealth produced by the workers. That’s exactly the opposite of the aims of communism, exactly what communists rebelled against.

      decision-making is hierarchical and centralized

      Again, that’s feudalism, not communism.

      resources of all kinds are pooled

      If by “pooled”, you mean that the work of the many pays for the pools of the few, then sure.

      uniformity in behavior and looks is encouraged

      Which is a feature of conservatism and authoritarianism in general, including but not limited to conservative communism, fascism and paleoconservatism.

      internal and external propaganda is strong

      Again a feature of authoritarianism, demagoguery and tribalism, not specifically communism.

      internal competition is discouraged

      My ass it is! Corporations encourage internal competition in myriad ways, such as leader boards, employees of the month, competitions with some paltry prize for the workers who excel in some metric or the other compared to their peers, performance based promotions etc etc.

      Internal competition is how corporations keep workers from banding together against their liege lords and ladies, so they encourage it at every opportunity.

      most of the benefits of the work, i.e. money, goes to the top.

      Again, the opposite of the intention of communism. I know that some nominally communist countries such as the USSR and China are actually one-party oligarchies, but they’re examples of bad and dishonest leaders governing in ways contrary to the ideologies they pretend to believe in.

      So yeah, countries definitely aren’t corporations, but you clearly have bizarre misconceptions about both corporations and communism.

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      You did not seriously compare obviously capitalist companies to communism lmao

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      I mostly meant that in the sense that a country doesn’t need to be “profitable” or economical. They are the only actor on the market that can pursue other objectives than profit, like the welfare of the population or ecosystem, and also the only actor who can essentially ignore the rules because they make the rules.

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        Countries don’t need to be profitable, but also they cannot be hundreds of millions in the negative.

        They can ignore or change of course all the rules that have been made up, but nobody can ignore the principles of economics.

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          I’m not arguing they should throw all sense in the wind and do whatever, but obviously this radical type of neoliberalism is an utter failure in caring for the citizens. And I would argue the first and foremost responsibility of any government is to care for its people, not to make the country an attractive investment.

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      That’s funny, I remember when I started my first job on a chemistry research campus for a major corporation I would tell my coworkers that it feels like a sort of communist commute or something. All resources were logged centrally and I was open to borrow or take resources from completely different labs.