• tal@lemmy.today
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    10 months ago

    Man, I hadn’t thought of that as being a threat.

    There are probably zillions of brands of inexpensive, insecure cameras out there from companies that have gone out of business and which were poorly-set-up or configured. Usually not a huge issue, but for military operations in urban areas, it’s gonna be a pain.

    Countering that is going to be tough.

    Maybe disallow security cameras above the third story or something like that, so that any one camera can only see so much. If you can break into one way up and rotate it, which it sounds like they did, then you have good odds of being able to see a lot.

    Or disguise the military hardware, which also helps address humans who might be spying.

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      10 months ago

      Are you kidding me? Governments are trying to expand surveillance on us plebs by expanding their own coverage and forcing access to private ones. We wouldn’t have such cameras if they cared about our privacy or safety.

      PS: This case should be considered as a slap in the face for those “I don’t need privacy because I have nothing to hide” people

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      10 months ago

      I believe the GDPR covers surveillance cameras. At least, Sweden’s version of the GDPR does cover cameras. It is illegal to film public places without approval from the police. If I want to put up a camera, it needs to only film my property, with no sight lines of public space.

      https://www.imy.se/privatperson/kamerabevakning/fragor-och-svar---privatpersoners-kamerabevakning/

      It’s also been illegal to publish aerial photos of the horizon in sweden for a long time, for security reasons. If you publish a photo of the horizon, there is a possibility that there is military base or other secured object in the photo, and you could be in serious trouble. So you need to get approval from the government before publishing the photo.

      https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/spridningstillstand/undantag/

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        Sweden’s version of the GDPR does cover cameras. It is illegal to film public places without approval from the police

        That is not correct, you just need to follow the GDPR guidelines regarding data handling and legitimate purpose:

        https://www.imy.se/privatperson/kamerabevakning/att-vara-personuppgiftsansvarig/

        illegal to publish aerial photos of the horizon in sweden for a long time, for security reasons. If you publish a photo of the horizon

        https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/spridningstillstand/undantag/

        This ties into the “legitimate purpose” of the previous point: you are not forbidden from publishing photos “of the horizon”, but an “aerial photo that goes up to the horizon” is likely to go way beyond any legitimate purpose, also showing your neighbor’s property, any nearby public roads with people (aka: personal information) on them, along with any possible strategic infrastructure.

        The review process is for strategic infrastructures, but in this case it’s a double whammy, where you also need to comply with the GDPR.

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          10 months ago

          As a private person, IMY’s page states this requirement for setting up a surveillance camera.

          att kameran inte fångar en plats dit allmänheten har tillträde

          But yeah, GDPR isn’t very restrictive unless you’re capturing personal information without a valid reason. Usually the police/myndighet permits are just to make sure that you have a valid reason.

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        10 months ago

        I think that part of the problem here was that the person who compromised the cameras was able to robotically rotate them to look at something else. So it’s not just what they’re aimed at, but what they can be remotely-aimed at that matters for this.

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      10 months ago

      Maybe a good countermeasure would be a lot of honeypot fake cameras that actually just play old video on a loop, or AI generated fake video. Then they might struggle to work out which cameras are real, and waste their time on fake intel.