“Canonical only having snap releases was harmful to adoption. I liked using lxd, but uninstalled snapd (forgetting lxd used it), and my vms obviously stopped. Snap wouldn’t reinstall properly (various inscrutable errors), so I moved it all over to libvirt. I’d still be happily using lxd if it weren’t for Canonical’s snap-pushing. That’s my anecdote of one.”

-mkj

(I’m not mkj so…, but I think most users are quite against enforcement of snapd)

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      It still has the most software support for causal users if you don’t want to go the Arch route and trust the AUR. But I think this will change with the rise of Immutable Distros, that will become the standard for people who just want a stable system that works + Flatpaks.

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        It still has the most software support for causal users if you don’t want to go the Arch route and trust the AUR.

        What software do you think casuals use these days? The casual home user wants Chrome and literally nothing more. That’s how they can consume YouTube, Spotify, pirate movie streams, and web games. In the last 20 or so years the average PC user has been gradually become more and more computer illiterate. If you are a PC gamer who actually installs games to the hard drive, you’re way above the average already.

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          With causal user, I mean someone who hasn’t a deep understanding of their OS and not someone who only does the most basic stuff. Maybe wrong choice of words. Causual users like you described are a dying minority since Smartphones and tablets are enough for the most basic tasks these days.

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          This is new, debian used to be either way behind or broken for less popular packages, but that has completely reversed over the past decade, people just haven’t gotten over the perception yet.

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        Vendor and community support too. It’s a significant reason why it’s often the second OS option at corps after Windows.

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        Forcing Snaps, and requiring all official Ubuntu flavors to remove Flatpak support out of the box. You can still install Flatpak support afterwards, but it continues to rub the Linux community the wrong way.

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            Yeah, Linux users have always had a blind spot for dependency hell when talking about freedom of choice.

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              I think it affects a sliver of the community that lies above the complete novice, but not quite technically adept. The place that gives you a feeling that you have knowledge but you haven’t reached the level where you understand how much you don’t know. I think that’s the place which breeds this sort of sentiment we see around this issue.

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        They want Ubuntu users to use snap, which unsurprisingly isn’t very popular.

        One of the main arguments for picking Ubuntu over Debian was the installation process, but Debian made the installation process much easier, by allowing non-free firmware.

        Ubuntu got worse, and Debian got better, anyone unhappy with Ubuntu should just switch to Debian with Gnome and the problem is largely solved.

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          Also debian used to have ancient packages, or broken ones in testing. Now stable is fairly up to date so Ubuntu lost its value, it was just a newer stable really.

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      True. I installed this OS, deleted a random component without any dependency analysis and it broke. Plz help.

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    I removed the snap version of firefox as soon as snap started whining it couldn’t update because I was using firefox. And it even seems to start a little faster now that it’s installed through a ppa.

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    I only use snaps if it’s not in my repo list, not a flatpak, or not in the obs, then I’ll use snap. The LSP servers are snaps which make it easy to install, but that’s about it. Id rather avoid both and go purely with repo packages

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    How Canonical seems to keep doubling down on snaps despite large push back from the community reminds me of Reddit’s API change. I didn’t see an end in sight, which is what pushed me to Fedora.