Even better, when they film vertically, and then encode it to widescreen. Ensuring that no matter how you view it on a phone it’s microscopic.
This is the only thing i really hate. I don’t give a shit about vertical anymore. We lost that battle.
I love it when it’s a phone recording of a landscape 16:9 video playing with the phone in vertical orientation and huge black bars above and below. Then I can view this on my 21:9 monitor with extreme black bars on the sides and a teeny-tiny picture in the middle.
Omg I really really hate this with a passion
Just like my penis
It’s encoded in widescreen but is microscopic?
I still mock them
Same. I will die on this hill. Vertical video sucks!
My grandmas funeral was filmed in vertical video you piece of shit
This is a good joke and it’s wooshed by eight people already.
Wait, what was the joke? I didn’t downvote but definitely got wooshed.
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But like… my screen is veritical.
what would happen if you turned it sideways
Something not good, I’m sure
😂😂 right, right…
Sure grandma… Watch your step
My pro move is too change halfway in the same clip so at some point the orientation is just wrong no matter what you do. I also do diagonal shots.
I’m not allowed to film anymore.
Diagonal is the compromise solution.
Call it a dutch angle, and suddenly you’re a cinematographer
I film upside down and call it the Australian angle.
Then I film this joke and call it the dead horse angle.
If you do a dutch oven with a dutch angle are you Dutch ^2 ?
No. If you take a tilted photo of a fart under the bed covers that’s only double Dutch.
San Francisco angle
Most of Battlefield Earth is shot diagonally and no one has complained about that fine film
Legitimately I do think being kind of, orientation agnostic, seems like a decent idea. I’ve seen it done well before in things like webtoons, where the sort of “line of action”, as it were, can benefit from bouncing from one side of the screen to the other, and where a variety of composition techniques can make a shot look more interesting and be properly readable in either viewing orientation. I think a conflict kind of naturally comes about when you’re just wanting to shoot everything to be completely in line with the floor so it’s easily parsed by the viewer, which is understandable, but kind of limits how interesting and efficient you can make your shots.
Also, somebody needs to make some popsockets that actually work, so holding your phone horizontally for more than five minutes doesn’t suck garbage doo doo.
I unironically wish that modern videos could change FPS, aspect ratio, and resolution on the fly. There’s way too many cases where having a 16:9 section of a video followed by a cinematic section is useful, and black bars are an awful way of transitioning between the two. Same can be said for vertical and horizontal ratios in the same video.
we might get there with AI and maybe some auto-editing recutting software at some point (or just with fancuts, if IP law ever gets better), where the aspect ratio can be redone for a specific cut of the film, but I don’t think it’s ever gonna get to the point where you’d be better off watching something on a 16:9 monitor if it was meant for 4:3, unless you’re really dead set on redoing all the shot composition so everything isn’t confined endlessly to the center of the screen.
realistically our best bet would’ve been to just film everything in the same aspect ratio, which I thought would be the case after we all collectively decided to fuck ourselves, and very slowly migrate from 4:3 and your other postage stamp aspect ratios, to 16:9, over the course of like 50 years and over the course of different mediums. but apparently we can’t have that, and we just have to get increasingly longer and longer aspect ratios because phone manufacturers suck. it’s been like a century and change since we started filming stuff and everyone still just treats it like pictures on a camera, where it’s all up to uncompromising artistic integrity.
hate that shit.
The thing is each aspect ratio has its merits for productivity, so 16:9 can’t be an end-all be-all.
Also, what I’m talking about is different from what you’re talking about. If source footage was shot in 2 aspect ratios, and both are used in a YouTube video or movie, it should be possible to label video segments with their correct aspect ratio. Right now, a single video can only have 1 aspect ratio, so if a video was formatted for 21:9 with some source footage being 16:9, if you were to watch that video on a 16:9 monitor, you’d see black bars on the top, bottom, left, and right of your screen despite the video segment being 16:9. If you watch WandaVision on a 16:9 or 4:3 monitor, you’ll understand what I mean.
So would you want to stop watching a video on one monitor, and then pick up where you left off on a different monitor with a different aspect ratio? That seems like a lot of hoopla to me, a lot of rigamarole. I do agree though, that should be a function.
Not necessarily. I am saying that instead of a video being 16:9 while containing a 16:10 clip, the video should be 16:9 for most of it and 16:10 for the segment with the clip. There would be fewer black bars during playback because the computer would interpret different frames of video as being in different aspect ratios.
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I still do. Phones can be turned to view it either way. Screens can’t. I’m not gonna ask my bud to get up and rotate his living room TV 90 degrees so we can look at my vacation photos. Plus, until we learn to levitate with our minds, the plane humans interact is and will presumably remain much, much wider than it is tall, so landscape captures more of it.
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Yup. It’s a shame the camera lense can’t like rotate or something, phones are much easier to hold vertically.
They’re just as easy to hold either way though.
The weight is more evenly distributed if you hold it vertically. I still hold it horizontally though.
I don’t know. If I balance the phone on my pinky, with the index finger on top and ring- and middle finger behind, it sits very solidly. My thumb is then free to tap the shutter button.
I find it too difficult to take a picture or video landscape one handed compared to portrait
Why is that? Most phones allow you to press the shutter with the volume button so it should be easy either way
I usually change settings, my phone is big. Like depending on the scenario I might change my frame rate on the video or the optical zoom. I find it too difficult with a pixel 6 pro and my hand size. Also I use rotation lock because it’s annoying if I’m laying down to have it rotate on me. So then I also need to tap the icon in the lower corner to rotate it, or disable it while I take a video. Lots of mucking about for one hand.
That’s true, but I find it just as difficult to access those features onehanded in vertical orientation, so I either do those twohanded before shooting, or I struggle about as much to reach them in either orientation.
Ehhhhh no that’s obviously wrong.
I suspect that the sensor has the same dimensions, roughly, as the phone itself. Putting in a square one would probably cost more. Not saying that either way is right, just that that’s probably the reason.
Lenses are circular, so the most cost effective would be a square sensor and square picture. I don’t actually know what modern sensors are though.
Most phone camera sensors (and most camera sensors in general) are 4:3.
Fixed it
This pains me so. Great job.
The hero we needed
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I think it depends on your intended audience. If what you’re filming is meant to be viewed on a phone, then vertical makes sense. If the video is meant to be viewed on a TV, movie screen, or computer monitor, then rotate your phone.
I was mocking too, but things changed when a phone became the device to play back videos. At this point the orientation didn’t matter as much.
It got to the point that some services, like YouTube shorts pretty much mandate vertical orientation.
Cursing those services to never be seen on desktop devices because they look so wasteful of screen real state.
I actually prefer them to landscape because like a growing amount of people I only watch YouTube on the right side of my screen and use the left for work, drawing, or if course internet browsing and chat windows.
You don’t always need to use every bit of screen real estate. The goal is watching videos, not min-maxing monitor usage.
It’s not so bad when your secondary monitor is vertical lmao
Sure, but then you’re viewing it on your secondary monitor.
it’s not stupid if that’s the format it gets viewed most in
Rotate your phone you dirty savage! Or don’t idc really.
I think you just proved the meme lol
all I’m saying is if you’re recording something for tiktok or Instagram, it’s going to look best if it’s recorded vertically
Yes, but we also hate tiktok and instagram.
Hell I refuse to acknowledge either, mind you I also dont enjoy the content of either.
How is this controversial. If its made to be viewed on a phone then I don’t see the reason to film hoizontally. Epecially the type of content that most people seem to make on like tiktok etc. seems better in vertical view.
it looks like it’s controversial because any app that has vertical content must be terrible 🤷♂️
I mean I don’t perticularly like the content of any of those apps (lemmy is the only real social media i use). But that doesn’t change the fact that they are using the correct format for the job.
don’t get me wrong, I agree. Furthermore, despite the problems with apps like TikTok, I do think there’s an incredible amount of amazing content created on that platform. It can be such a showcase of the creativity of the average person, it just sucks that it’s pretty objectively terrible in multiple ways.
Lemmy definitely showing its older age skew here lol. Almost anything related to any social media will be better vertical. (Even lemmy itself ironically)
Hell the vertical video trend on TikTok this year was a phenomenal trend and I even recall seeing A24 doing a vertical trailer cut just for TikTok.
This is why 4:3 should become the default aspect ratio for taking videos on phone.
No, I will not be taking questions at this moment.
great idea, but 1:1 is what it should have always been
Nah, we should use some freedom aspect ratio, like 1.47266478:1.984772673
π:e
Is that imperial or metric pi?
Galactic Standard
We are now to use 1x√2 as the optimal aspect ratio, as to allow screens to be put side by side, and then turned into larger screens.
I could definitely get on board with extending ISO 216 to include a standardized set of screen sizes with this aspect ratio.
1:1
Vertical or horizontal?
/s
3:2 please
Galaxy Fold camera has this as the default dimensions. (The screen is also 4:3)
I shoot in 4:3 because it’s closer to the actual sensor’s resolution. No I have never looked this up, and no I will not change my ways if told otherwise.
I still question why so many people find it so difficult to just turn the phone 90 degrees to the side when you film with it. Is it because you think you look like a dork when you film a selfie with two hands? Because that’s not why you look like a dork.
Admittedly you would look like a dork if you filmed at a 45 degree angle.
Oh wow I didn’t know there was a word for this, i love making dutch angle photos
I usually hold my phone horizontally to shoot video, but it definitely is easier to hold it vertically. After all, it was designed to be held vertically.
A lot of the time it’s not that people can’t or are scared to, they just don’t feel the need to because most the video they watch is in vertical format. It’s not being filmed for cinema release, it’s for phones and tablets.
We used to and we still do too.
Note to self: “2 Fast 2 Barbie”(working title) should now be filmed vertically in order to appeal to Gen Z on Tik Tok.
Just make sure the main plot happens in the first 3 seconds or else they will get bored
At the very least make sure Subway Surfers is playing in one of the corners
i genuinely hate this, it hurts my eyes and is unwatchable
this is a thing?
Yes.
oh god why
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Akschually filming it vertically is not good because we can’t insert subway surfers gameplay under the movie. It should be filmed like a small rectangle
WHAT is up with that shit anyway? It’s so annoying
It stimulates my brain meat.
At first I thought it was just a method to avoid copyright detection. It may have started as that but the 22yr old I live with says it gives people something else to do while watching the movie so they don’t get bored.
4:3 superiority is back baby
It’s a problem
Not really for very short video because 99% of the time you’ll be watching it on your phone which is vertical by default. For long video horizontal is better.
No, 99% of the time I’ll be looking at it on the computer and my monitor is in the natural Landscape orientation
Ah yes, nothing like seeing a 16:9 picture pan-and-scanned on a portrait display.
It’s not a generational thing; it’s a filming standard.
We should have listened… Now we have Tik Tok and YouTube Shorts… 😢
You can still flame people who film vertically on those platforms
Like most problems it’s prevalence is due to a lack of bullying
I came here to post this. 😅
We tried to tell you.
Vertical was foretold long ago
Which movie is it?
Looks like 2001
Film is way too grainy, had to be filmed sometime earlier. Maybe '65-70? We may never know.
It was filmed in 2001 as evident by the title but only released in the late 1960s, thats why it looks that way.
That makes sense
Woosh. He meant 2001: a space odyssey
that’s a whoosherang right there.
DoubleWooosh I know, the movie was produced in 1967
Oh my god. It took me a while to figure out what this meant. I guess I was wooshed while attempting to point out a non existent woosh.
Hey it’s all good, many folks haven’t seen 2001 yet and it’s sad. Keep sharing it!
Dude can afford to go to space but can’t afford a tablet with an OLED.
Shouldn’t you be filming for the device?
Like tiltok should be vertical and yt should be horizontal?
I’d say you should be filming for the content.
Someone on a pogo stick in the backyard? Vertically.
Your pet running around in the backyard? Probably horizontally.
Your friend planking in the backyard?Definitely horizontally.Not at all, get new friends.But I’ve spent the last ten years perfecting my planking game.
I need witnesses to my perfection.
I can nail you to my deck if that is what you are into.
You can thrash all over me, skate-daddy.
As an artist this is how I’ve always thought about it. Shooting a group of five people vertical is suboptimal. There’s too much wasted frame.
But if all you’re going to use the video for is social media then you’ll have to crop the video and get weird ratio with worse quality. so if it’s for Instagram stories why not just take the video or photo vertical so you know it’ll work.
I don’t really use social media so it doesn’t come up for me often. Nevertheless, just because a platform forces me to use an orientation doesn’t mean that orientation is a good fit for the subject I’m shooting.
Film everything in square 1:1 format
Until Vine and later tiktok, basically the whole Internet was in the horizontal format and vertical videos would play with huge black boxes on the left and right and in turn you can’t really make out the details of the videos as well because they were so small on those screens. Today’s internet is very different and has things actually designed for vertical videos so complaining about it makes no sense anymore.
Today’s internet is very different and has things actually designed for vertical videos so complaining about it makes no sense anymore.
It absolutely makes sense. You can design whatever you want for vertical videos but it makes no difference if the actual content isn’t designed for it.
How many times have you seen videos with multiple people falling out of frame while simultaneously half the frame consists of ground and sky? Then the camera operator viciously whips back and forth to try to capture everything, creating a jarring fuckin video? How many times do you see TikTokkers trying to contort their bodies so you can actually see what’s going on in the image behind them? What difference does the size of resolution of the image make when half of it is consumed by nothing important?
That probably means they should’ve zoomed out, regaldless of orientation
To create even bigger empty spaces of ground and sky?
Once you’ve got everything you can just crop to where the action is happening later, as well as chose a different aspect ratio if need be
Crop it? Sooo then you’re just back to horizontal but at a significantly degraded resolution…
Not really. Most phones can film in 4k and most services compress it to absolute shit anyway nowadays. You’re not losing much but cropping first
It’s often hard to adapt already existing horizontal videos into vertical videos, but the current high prevalence of vertical video platforms create incentive to create better editing tricks. I personally am often surprised how they accommodate for these situations now a days
I mean yes I agree but it’s a shoddy workaround for a manufactured problem.
Except it does. It is such a waste of space to film like that. If anything film a square
We all know the best way to film is in the shape of a circle
It slightly annoys me when looking for YT vids on a subject and the results are full of 10 second vertically filmed shorts 🤦♂️. Some are fine in some cases I guess, but the majority are just noise IMO
You should be filming for your subject and media devices should be built around common filming aspect ratios. A phone camera’s aspect ratio should be practical for capturing typical content, a phone screen’s aspect ratio should mirror phone cameras, I think this is already approximately the case. Phones are somewhat unique compared to say a TV because they can easily be viewed vertical and horizontal, so really they have two aspect ratios.
I think the vertical photo and video phenomenon is more a symptom of how we use our devices. People are rapid fire swiping through media which means the majority aspect ratio is going to push the minority one out, which is why landscape is dead. Another reason I believe is people switching between apps, Tiktoking at the same time they use other social media for example, and often those apps are way more practical in portrait.
