• chitak166@lemmy.world
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          And plenty of people think it’s okay when the US does it.

          What’s your point?

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            And plenty of people think the CCP’s behaviour is ok. Both groups are capable of being simultaneously wrong.

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              both groups wrong? sounds dubious to me, you’re probably just a shill for whichever side i’m not on.

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            What’s yours? You’re the one trying to change the subject. It’s cheap, stupid, condescending and obvious as fuck.

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              My point is that it’s not okay when the US does it, but people like you think otherwise and get mad when called out.

              Thanks for proving me right.

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                Scarcely. You’re concerned to make an irrelevant point about the US when in fact we’re trying to have an intelligent discussion about the CCP.

                Nobody cares. Shut the fuck up. There is no lack of venues in which one can appropriately bitch about the US, but this is not one, you whiney little fucker.

                You want to change the subject because it’s obvious that you’re uncomfortable with people questioning the CCP’s authoritarian tendencies.

                If you were OK with it, you wouldn’t feel the need to trot out your deeply condescending and stupid whataboutism.

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                  It’s okay. We get it. You’re mad someone criticized the US.

                  In your mind, “it’s okay when the US does it.”

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          most authoritarian countries

          In the US, 0.7% of the population is in prison. That’s nearly one out of every hundred citizens and the highest per capita of incarcerated citizens in the world. Higher than Russia, higher than China, higher than North Korea.

          Land of the free indeed. Propaganda works.

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              Their vocational facilities and re-education centers are a far better way of managing and de-radicalizing extremist groups like the ETIM than fucking bombing them, invading them, and lying about WMDs.

              50+ mostly muslim UN states have approved of how China handled this after sending delegates and diplomats to Xinjiang:

              …separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.

              We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang.

              The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.

              QiaoCollective has a detailed timeline and report of Xinjiang related events.

              BadEmpanada has an in-depth video essay on the topic with sources in description.

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                You can also literally just visit Xinjiang and see it for yourself lol, since there’s not much travel restrictions on the region anymore now that covid’s mostly over.

                There are tons of Youtube videos doing just that.

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              Is that a Lib thing now? When I was growing up in a super rural conservative area I always heard if you don’t like America you’re free to leave. Like progressive change is a cancer or something.

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                Libs are just conservatives at heart who like to think they’re progressive so yeah that checks out.

                Instead of improving our country, these two groups tell you to go elsewhere.

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      and yet authoritarian China is more reactive to feedback from the people than democratic America

      odd, that

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          I mean if you’re citing Tiananmen, I’d recommend that you read the messages and reports that came out of the US embassy during and following the event.

          They tell a rather different story than what’s commonly spread today and base it off of actual first-hand eyewitness testimony. It’s not by any means “Deng Xiaoping did nothing wrong,” but it’s extremely different from what’s on Wikipedia.

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        That’s why so many people want to immigrate there, right? Right? It’s so strange that China doesn’t have an immigration problem.

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          by policy, China makes it extremely hostile for non-ethnic Chinese groups to immigrate to China. If you’re Han, Manchu, Hui, etc. it’s not too hard, but if you’re white you might as well give up.

          In fact, emigration from China has slowed in the past decade. QoL in China has gone up as it has gone down in the rest of the world, and the promise of better economic opportunities only materializes itself in tier-1 US cities like New York and San Francisco.