• 01011@monero.town
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    edit-2
    11 months ago

    Protesting against those who impede on your right to self-determination and your right to trade freely with the rest of the world is completely understandable. Especially when the entity enforcing the sanctions and making threatening statements conversely makes so much noise about “liberal” values - the right to free trade, democracy etc.

    • blahsay@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      11 months ago

      Geeze yeah the Iranians I saw certainly weren’t protesting. They just wanted war and blood. It’s hard to explain the real face of Islam unless you see it first hand - check it out sometime!

      It’s spooky to see how Islam changes Iranians - they’re usually the kindest, most open minded and welcoming people. The Islamists though…wow

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        12
        ·
        11 months ago

        The west is the party that wants war and blood. The Iranians just want to defend themselves. Your hypocrisy is through the roof.

        You look at Palestine and then say “oh those Hamas guys, they just hate the west for no reason aside from Islam. It has nothing to do with them being oppressed.”

        • galloog1@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          11 months ago

          Western liberals are not shouting death to Iran at every rally nor are they conducting escalatory actions that are not proportional. There is a distinctive difference. Sanctions are ramped up and down in direct response to rhetoric and violent actions by proxies around the middle east. You are apparently blind to these.

          • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            11 months ago

            The west actively boycots Iran and prevents it from engaging in trade. They have bombed an Iranian general at an airport without being in war.

            Iran is the party here that unironically is defending itself. The west is the agressor.

            • galloog1@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              11 months ago

              An Iranian theocratic general in Iraq that was absolutely in no way involved in the destabilisation and insurgency in Iraq. He was just there for holiday. Wake up. If that wasn’t enough for you then maybe the active supply and support of Russia against Ukraine is. I suppose those Iranian Soldiers that were hit in Ukraine were there for the beaches then?

              I addressed all of this in my original comment concerning proxies and proportional responses.

              • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                Iran sides with anyone who is against the west right now and from their point of view they are completely justified.

                America bombed one of their Generals without provocation and is actively boycotting them.

                America doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine either, they are about to drop them and fuck them over just like they did to the Kurds.

                The West has ravaged the middle east and Africa to steal natural resources.

                All democracies were assassinated to install American puppets in the middle east and French and British ones in Africa. (remember the South African Apartheid???)

                What we are seeing in Palestine today is what the west (first mostly Britain and France, now also America) has been doing for a century now.

                • galloog1@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  11 months ago

                  Iran sides with anyone who is against the west right now and from their point of view they are completely justified.

                  Yes and you do realize how that supports my narrative, right?

                  America bombed one of their Generals without provocation and is actively boycotting them.

                  See your own comment above for provocation.

                  America doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine either, they are about to drop them and fuck them over just like they did to the Kurds.

                  No you, also fuck you for thinking we don’t care. Some of us care too much.

                  The West has ravaged the middle east and Africa to steal natural resources.

                  Natural resources that we let the locals control…

                  All democracies were assassinated to install American puppets in the middle east and French and British ones in Africa. (remember the South African Apartheid???)

                  Democracies are perpetually at odds with liberal values. I’m not going to discuss the nuances with someone as black and white as you.

                  What we are seeing in Palestine today is what the west (first mostly Britain and France, now also America) has been doing for a century now.

                  If you think that’s bad, you should see literally every war ever involving a city.

                  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    11 months ago

                    Putin has killed less Ukranian civilians since his invasion than israel has done in a month.

                    You’re actually comparing bombing a concentration camp with 2 million people to “city warfare”. This is Nazi apologism tier mental gymnastics. You should be ashamed of your racism but you’re proud of it.

          • 01011@monero.town
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            6
            ·
            11 months ago

            There’s no need to shout death to anyone when your policies cause death. Or when your military spending is greater than everyone else’s combined. Or when you have a legacy of causing death en masse, on a whim.

            • blahsay@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              11 months ago

              I guess your solution would be for all restrictions on Iran to be lifted? Honestly I’d love that too. They are somewhat counter productive and the poverty they cause in turn causes extremists.

              The harsh truth though is that if the world stopped looking for a year or two Iran would do exactly what they’ve said they’d do…several nuclear bombs going off in Israel and probably elsewhere.

              The theocracy there is seriously unhinged - again you should take a look for yourself.

              (Also I’m not American nor does their military spending eclipse all other countries - and almost every country has a legacy of death so careful pointing fingers)

              • 01011@monero.town
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                The lie that Iran would suddenly launch rockets at Israel is tired and old. It sounds too much like the old Cold War accusations leveled at the Soviet Union that were nothing but projection.

                Iran’s theocracy is no more unhinged than their counterpart in the United States - those who push for the liberalization of global markets so as to allow American capital interests to cannibalize the planet, for the good of mankind, of course…

                America is currently unrivaled in its legacy of carnage, both at home and abroad. At least two genocides at home and countless wanton killing sprees and invasions abroad - in the name of “democracy”, “free markets”, “liberty” and the other beloved slogans of Uncle Sam.

                If anyone should be mistrusted in this equation it is the entity that has a track record of invading sovereign nations, supporting genocide at home and abroad and pushing economic policies that have an extensive track record of failure and extreme human suffering.

                • blahsay@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  Fascinating! Who do you think is lying about Iran exactly? You can, at any time, google one of the many, many videos of Iranian officials stating they want to wipe out Israel. Are they lying?

                  I’d post a link but honestly there’s no point as you wouldn’t watch it.

                  There’s the saying, 'You can wake someone who’s sleeping but not someone pretending to be asleep '.