• jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      11 months ago

      Because their algorithms have a clear negative impact on Europeans mental health and are contributing to the deterioration of democracy? Or because they are thinly veiled front for Chinese intelligence services?

      • misk@sopuli.xyzOP
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        11 months ago

        Yes, those could be harmful. How does location of the data center change that? If anything, it’s better to have it in EEA for better oversight, no?

        • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          10
          ·
          edit-2
          11 months ago

          The data is already processed in Europe, that doesn’t change. The fact that they are getting marching orders from the CCP also doesn’t. And even if they were Europeans what they are doing should be a crime.

          • misk@sopuli.xyzOP
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            11 months ago

            Okay, so no change in terms of legality of the enterprise. Personally I’m in favor of regulating Youtube and Tiktok to the point that they’re truly socially responsible and only slightly profitable but that’s mostly irrelevant to data center location discussion.

            In terms of benefits of investing in data center in Norway I could list:

            • using renewable energy sources in a location that’s very good at those
            • staying at regulators arms length
            • jobs

            So I think this is good news.

            • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              9
              ·
              11 months ago

              Letting people build a Heroin-Cyanide candy factory would also bring jobs, I still think it should be illegal.

              • misk@sopuli.xyzOP
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                3
                ·
                11 months ago

                That’s a fair point but it would require outlawing YouTube too.

                • Nyfure@kbin.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  3
                  ·
                  11 months ago

                  One at a time, but comparing A to B, because B is also doing bad things doesnt negate nor justify the impact of A, which in this case, i’d say is worse.
                  Yes, I believe it is slightly preferable to be under surveillance by an unstable democracy with a history of disregard for other nations laws, than to be monitored by China’s Communist Party, which has previously used such data for oppression and manipulation.

                  Though i agree and would make, if possible, both responsible for their actions and control over others. And here it also seems, there is more control over the big sea than in Asia, making one marginally better than theother.

                  • misk@sopuli.xyzOP
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    11 months ago

                    Do you truly believe that Google, Meta or other tech giants are not selling your data to CCP if TikTok can supposedly get away with this?

      • misk@sopuli.xyzOP
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        9
        ·
        11 months ago

        That’s not really an answer. Let me rephrase just in case.

        If this data center was to be located outside of EEA, what would be the benefit to Europeans or ByteDance?