• themeatbridge@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      I understand what you’re trying to say, but the counter argument is that rape could occur through coercion or deception.

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          11 months ago

          No clue what the sentence severity is, as compared to rape, but stealthing should probably be considered sexual assault rather than rape. In my jurisdiction, sentence length is identical for both but elsewhere it can vary.

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              11 months ago

              I want you to picture a jury. You have to convince them that unprotected sex through subterfuge is specifically rape on top of convincing them that unprotected sex was had. Why not just skip a step, punish the same, and be done with it?

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      There’s the violence of “a wrong committed against a person’s body”, and there’s violence in the sense of “a direct application of physical force”.
      I think everyone here is in agreement that the second sense should not be considered a prerequisite for the first.

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      11 months ago

      Yeah. That’s the only attitude that makes the French legal definition of rape barely tolerable.

      France, for instance, considers that rape can be considered to have occurred when “an act of sexual penetration or an oral-genital act is committed on a person, with violence, coercion, threat or surprise.”

      Far from ideal, but it leaves enough room for interpretation that a decent judge can work with it. Unfortunately, that same leeway can also allow a shitty judge to let scumbags off easy.

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      11 months ago

      I think the problem is this is “legally defining”

      So a hot take just wouldn’t hold up in court. This is about pushing it further than just a hot take.