[Edit 2: I think anyone commenting should identify how much they use Facebook in their comment lol]

On the list of people I describe in the subject, I place myself first. If you’re here to defend yourself by showing me your receipts, congratulations, you win, I just saved us who knows how much time. I’m typing this out in an attempt to describe phenomena, not persuade you of anything in particular, other than, this is a thing I see happening a lot; too much would be my take.

I’m just gonna grab [a] most egregious example, but I would like to talk about this, not as a horrific fail, but as an exemplar; at the moment I believe that most people categorize it as the former.

[edit: there really is no “most” egregious example, and I just thought of a much worse one, and unlike Facebook I am fully guilty of this one: I own and drive a car, a lot, and boy am I ignoring some real world consequences there.]

That example being, Facebook Acted As The Main Propaganda Outlet For A Genocide Of The Rohingya In Myanmar, and therefore, Anyone Who Uses Facebook Is Using A Tool That Has Bloodstains On It And Are Somehow Not Horrified.

To more easily conceptualize this, it’s much the same as me needing a shovel, and having a neighbour that I happen to know murdered someone with their shovel, but has not been arrested for it, and right when I need the shovel, they walk over with their bloodstained shovel and offer to let me use it for my non-murder task. And I just go “Wow how convenient that you happened to be here with that bright-red shovel just now, I think I’ll use this one one of yours with the little spatters of brain on it, instead of walking over to my shed and getting my own shovel out!”

We are talking about murder here, Facebook was used to foment mass murder and in a world that made sense, Zuckerberg would be handed over to the ICC years ago, along with Henry Kissinger and a number of others who instead hang out at the Nobel Peace Prize club where Barack makes a mean Mai Tai.

The problems that people use Facebook to constructively solve is connections to family and close friends, event and interest group organizing, the marketplace, and for the avid user it constitutes a daily journal.

These problems could each be solved using something else that is also just as gratis. It might be a small amount of effort more, but then you maybe don’t ever have to touch the remains of a human life that once existed and now does not, due to this particular device being used to end that life.

But it seems that it’s more convenient, easy, zero effort, to simply ignore the gore.

That’s what I see on the internet. I don’t think anyone has ever accepted a bloodstained shovel and set to digging a ditch with it who didn’t also feel that their life was next if they didn’t, but as long as there’s no visible bloodstains, as long as it’s just a few articles and podcasts from known radical leftists, eh, look at little Jimmy’s recital, isn’t he cute?

  • CloverSi@lemmy.comfysnug.spaceEnglish
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    1 year ago

    It seems like we’re having two different conversations; I reread your comments as you suggested and it seems as if you’re responding to someone else. You’re talking about things completely unrelated from what I’m saying, and then implying I’m being unreasonable for being angry over something I’m not even angry about.

    communications are a fundamental public utility and should be treated as such.

    I agree completely. This was never in question and it feels like you’re implying I think otherwise when you keep reinforcing this point.

    expecting your friends and family to use a billionaire’s private network as one of the sole ways of communicating is not really the same thing as being stuck buying your food with too much plastic on it.

    one of these you really do have control over its not a forced choice its just one people think is.

    at some point everyone made a choice here, they arent necessarily bad people for those choices but ignorance for whatever reason is on the menu.

    This is what I take issue with. As a personal example, my grandpa knows how to make phone calls and use facebook; he doesn’t use technology much more than that, and he’s not in a state to learn how to use anything else right now.

    So I use Facebook to talk with him. Not because I support Facebook, I just want to talk to my grandpa. I find it offensive when you imply those who use closed and/or ‘unethical’ platforms inherently do it out of ignorance, and that there’s always a choice; my only other choice is to not talk to my dying grandfather, and I won’t feel guilty for not taking that.

    To be clear, in terms of big picture I’m with you on everything else you said.

    communications are a fundamental public utility and should be treated as such.

    That sums up my thoughts nicely.

    I don’t feel this discussion has been in good faith; your last comment has some gaslighting (whether intentional or not) that I don’t think has a place in respectful conversation, so I won’t be responding further.

    • manitcor@lemmy.intai.techEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      so wait, its better to say these people are knowingly choosing to be on these platforms and requiring others to do so communicate with them as well? im not even sure what you are saying but it does seem we may be at cross purposes

      we have come a long way since breaking up the bells, wow

      is your instance seeing everything?

      im not supporting OPs post, if you look at the thread this is a reply to someone trying to equate these choices people are making to the lack of choice people have in the carbon argument https://lemmy.intai.tech/comment/632241

      which to me is a watering down of the carbon argument where people truly have no choice vs having put themselves in a mental box for whatever the reason.