Several people in the community have expressed frustration in regards to the fact that any post that fits the community it’s posted to but is slightly out of the normal post type like, for example, being more hardcore rather than softcore, get’s a lot of downvotes by people who simply don’t like that particular post.

We have also had complaints that particular types of posts as a whole get more downvotes even if they are in the appropriate community and are the normal type of post for a community. This especially appears to be happening to male content.

Additionally we are seeing posts with more downvotes than a community has subscribers, meaning people are downvoting content they don’t even want to see in the first place.

We understand some may not like some content of a particular post or community, but downvoting posts discourages these posters who are actually passionate/interested in the topic of the community from posting again. Additionally, when posts are downvoted like that it can bury them in our instance and especially in other instances, preventing them from being viewed by others almost at all.

After some discussion amongst the moderators and admins,because of the reasons above, we’ve decided to disable downvotes at least for the time being.

What do I do if I dislike a post?

  • We recommend those who would normally downvote a post they don’t like just, instead, block the user who created the post, or, if the community is a topic you dislike, block the community. That way, you no longer see those posts, but don’t effect those posts’ visibility to other members of the community and instance.

  • Additionally, you can view your “Subscribed” feed instead of “Local” so that you only see posts from the communities you are subscribed to.

What do I do if a post doesn’t fit the community it’s posted in or is spam?

  • Please report the post, either the mods of the community or an instance admin will remove the post if necessary, as soon as possible. We have admins and mods online almost around the clock, so these types of posts should be removed quickly.

Potential future post filtering on lemmy:

  • In the future it appears that lemmy may implement a tagging system similar to flairs on reddit. This request has piqued the interest of the lemmy devs, so keep an eye out sometime in the (maybe not so near) future for the implementation of that feature.

As @yay@lemmynsfw.com has said in the comments:

Downvotes should be used for posts you don’t like in your area of interest, and not for niche communities you don’t like.

When the RFC mentioned in the post is developed, we will be able to have a more refined home page, this way we can enable downvotes.

But for now, please block users/communities as it supposed to be.

Please put any comments questions and concerns in the comments below, we are of course always open to community thoughts and feedback, and want to work with you to keep this instance an enjoyable and entertaining place to post and browse.

  • ~~Nudermeisters~~@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
    37·
    1 year ago

    What do we do about moderators being spammers? I’m sure this comment will just get deleted, but like, some of the moderators are just blasting out spam across the communities and its obnoxious as fuck. Blocking moderators isn’t my favorite thing to do, even though I currently have. What if they make a community announcement I need to see, in order to maintain a proper understanding of the rules, for instance? Just so there’s no questions, I am very specifically talking about @b9999998@lemmynsfw.com. We’ve already lost one community member due to how they treated her, and how her comments about his improprieties were handled, can we talk about corrective actions? Or is this just a good ol’ boys club?

    Feels sus that this comes pretty directly after they were called out in comments with downvotes on their bullshit, now mod deleted, reply . And who cares this much about fake points anyway? just tell the people who are complaining about the “excessive downvotes” to turn off vote counts in their user settings. why should a few complainers ruin the way the entire instance is operated? absolutely ridiculous.

    I already had to limit my experience to SUBSCRIBED only so that I didn’t have to see said moderators awful bullshit spam taking my actual entire main new page up all the time, before i had them blocked (guess i can go back but its probably just him with another username doing the same now)… dont make this our problem on top, its already barren around here, we need all the forms of interaction available to us to be cohesive. And it’s a core aspect of the fediverse.

    Your ridiculous example of a post getting more downvotes than suscribers, as an admin level moderator, is stunning. Let me explain how this happens since you dont get Lemmy??

    1. User posts {example bad post} to [communityX]
    2. that post gets shown in a WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLES NEW PAGE, even people not subscribed, and even places outside of LemmyNSFW, believe it or not.
    3. Users outside of the subscription list downvote the shit post because they dont like it and its out of place or whatever the reason
    4. User complains? to you? ((alternative step: tell user to turn off votes))
    5. You turn off downvoting for us, which may have zero effect on the users downvoting the content in the first place, in the rest of the federation?
    6. We try our hardest not to go to https://lemmy.world/post/8508017 (etc) and downvote this post anyway.

    What am I missing? Why are you using subscriber count as an arbitrary ceiling? Even if the downvotes are “in-house” its happening on the new page, not people brigading communities or whatever the fuck nonsense you’ve cooked up over there internally. most people dont subscribe to communities they like… I only do it to avoid your homeboy’s spamming and similar users.

    This is starting to feel more like a shitty porn collectors club than a legit part of the federated universe that happens to specialize in porn. And guess what the internet already has plenty of ? yep! porn Collections, you nailed it.

    Not even sure I’m allowed to ask this since the instance rules dont allow us to “lawyer rules”, but nothing in sidebar even attempts to address how you want up and downvotes to be used… maybe start there… You’re removing features for people using them within the defined rules (none).

    Rule Eight) No Rules Lawyering: Admin decisions are final and arguing with them can result in a suspension or banning of your account and removal of your content. (if you feel a community is not being sufficiently moderated or properly following these guidelines, please contact an admin.)

    Please tell me we aren’t talking about this guy

    • lemmyposter212@lemmynsfw.comOPMEnglish
      9·
      1 year ago

      If you have an issue with the mods please do report it we have a public matrix channel, you can report it there, or message an admin directly.

      We continually have discussions in the mod chat about the behavior of mods and what is and isn’t the appropriate behavior of mods. If you have a serious issue with a mod, and it is brought up, we will discuss it.

    • pornonmain@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      I understand and appreciate that this community is important to you and that you want to see it grow and flourish. I think we ultimately want the same thing but have different views and interpretations of what the current problems are and what the best approaches are to solve them.

      I’ll try to respond to your points and questions, and explain why I think the deactivation of down votes is a good step right now. I want to make clear that I don’t speak for anyone else, I’m just stating my own views and opinions:

      What do we do about moderators being spammers?

      We seem to have different definitions of spam. The amount of posts doesn’t make a poster a spammer imo.

      Blocking moderators isn’t my favorite thing to do, even though I currently have.

      If you need to block moderators then maybe the com is just not for you? You’re free to create your own community with better moderation and less spam.

      Although it generally might be a good idea to use separate accounts for official admin announcements and for posting content, something to think about. Thank you for bringing up that point.

      We’ve already lost one community member due to how they treated her, and how her comments about his improprieties were handled, can we talk about corrective actions? Or is this just a good ol’ boys club?

      While I would have worded the message to that community member differently (and b9 and me talked about that), my perspective on the issue is that B9 didn’t have ill intentions and the member misinterpreted the message because they already disliked b9 bc of !fauxbait. I might be wrong, but that’s how I read the situation.

      Feels sus that this comes pretty directly after they were called out in comments with downvotes on their bullshit, now mod deleted, reply .

      I can tell you that this was talked about way before, I asked for this like 2 weeks ago because I was upset about getting down voted on my niche kink posts. OC posters that don’t fit mainstream beauty standards have been complaining about down votes for quite a while. There are people sitting in front of the screen, we humans are not machines, we have feelings. Down voting someone because you don’t find them attractive is just a shitty and hurtful thing to do.

      And who cares this much about fake points anyway? just tell the people who are complaining about the “excessive downvotes” to turn off vote counts in their user settings.

      (OC) Posters want to see that people interact with their content, that some people enjoy them. This is not a good solution for them. Yes, some people write comments, but only a small percentage of the people up voting a post will leave a comment.

      why should a few complainers ruin the way the entire instance is operated? absolutely ridiculous.

      The “complainers” are the people that are posting and keeping this instance alive. As you might have noticed not a single OC poster has complained about this change. The way I see it a few people misusing down votes where ruining the entire instance. As other folks in this thread explained, everyone is aware that his heavy handed approach is not ideal but under the circumstances it seemed like the best choice to try it out.

      I already had to limit my experience to SUBSCRIBED only so that I didn’t have to see said moderators awful bullshit spam taking my actual entire main new page up all the time

      Seems like a great solution. The “local, newest” feed will become basically unusable at a certain point anyways if there are enough people posting. The local feed can be useful to find new coms that you aren’t aware of but since sexual tastes are very broad and particular it’s to be expected that a lot of the posts will not be to your liking.

      I get why the Lemmy devs made users default to the local feed on the web UI, but I don’t think it’s a good fit for a NSFW instance. The mobile app I’m using defaults to the subscribed feed. I recommend changing the web UI to default to the subscribed feed in the settings.

      If you want to use the local feed as your default feed then you have to block the communities that you don’t want to see. This is a blacklist approach, which is a lot of work. The subscription feed is a white list approach, way less work. Of course not useful for discovery, but I don’t think “discovery mode” is a good default mode for this site.

      (guess i can go back but its probably just him with another username doing the same now)

      Do you have a reason or proof that they are using multiple accounts?

      And it’s a core aspect of the fediverse.

      I’m not sure if you’re talking about the local feed or about down votes. The local timeline on any sufficiently large fediverse server is basically useless because it’s just way too many random posts to take in. Down votes are not a core aspect of the fediverse. Activitypub, the fundamental protocol of the fediverse specifies a “Like Activity” but no “Dislike Activity”: https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#like-activity-outbox It’s just something Lemmy devs took from Reddit and similar boards. Not all boards handle down votes in the same way, a site like hackernews, will not let you down vote until your account has received a certain amount upvotes. It’s fine to experiment and iterate on this formula. Given the limitations Lemmy the team came to the decision that this is the best way to go forward until changes to Lemmy are made. We need to use the options and settings that are currently available.

      You wrote in another thread on this post that you don’t want even more instances of Lemmy. A lot of people would argue that the ability to create your own instance if you dislike the moderation on your previous instance is a core aspect of the fediverse. I think the best approach to not need more instances is to be the most welcoming community possible on lemmynsfw. This means to accept that people will post stuff that you don’t want to see and that that’s okay and even a good thing.

      Let me explain how this happens since you dont get Lemmy??

      I can assure you that they are aware of the chain of events that leads to more down votes than a community has members. As I explained above, sexual interests are diverse and if everyone would down vote anything that they personally find distasteful then we would lose all those wonderful niche communities where people can enjoy their specific tastes. I think this community is better for this diversity.

      Why are you using subscriber count as an arbitrary ceiling?

      The subscriber account was mentioned because it is proof that down votes are coming at least in part from the local feed. I think those down votes are a net negative for the community as it discourages anything that isn’t mainstream.

      most people dont subscribe to communities they like… I only do it to avoid your homeboy’s spamming and similar users.

      I would recommend that they start subscribing to their favorite coms if they are unhappy with the local feed, see my above comment about black list vs white list approach.

      legit part of the federated universe that happens to specialize in porn

      What makes a site a legit part of the fediverse? To me, if a server speaks activitypub and federates it is part of the fediverse, if an instance turns of federation then it’s not part of the fediverse. You seem to be talking about something else?

      And guess what the internet already has plenty of ? yep! porn Collections, you nailed it.

      I don’t think people posting porn content takes away from the coms that focus on OC content. If people are looking for OC content they will find it. Anyone who’s familiar with NSFW Reddit knows about gonewild. !gonewild has more than 16k subscribers. That’s ~38.7% of the user base (though some subscribers might come from other instances). I think that’s pretty good.

      You’re removing features for people using them within the defined rules (none).

      While it would be possible to see who down votes by looking at the database, there is no way to see the users who gave down votes via the UI. I think that a rule that is not practical to enforce is not very useful in this context.

      I’m looking forward to the return of down votes if down votes can be limited to subscribed communities or to only allow users with enough points to down vote. I’m generally wary of technical solutions to social problems, but I think in a pseudonymous board like lemmynsfw it can work quite well or at least it can be a useful part of the solution.