Edit: I love all these people replying to me with internet connections and phone sims registered on their name how we cannot register 3D printer owners because that will make the world end.
The gun was designed to not require any potentially regulated firearm parts (under European Union laws) in order to enable people in countries with restrictive gun control laws to manufacture it with little or no legal trouble.
Well, there’s a great reason to tighten gun control laws and start regulating several more firearm parts. I mean, who needs firearm parts anyway if they don’t have a gun? Airsoft people? Nah, they are cool, if you wanna make rogue, 3D-printed guns harder to get, they’d give up their realistic firearm parts in a heartbeat - and if not, you just found someone whose shopping list you might wanna check for
easily manufactured metal pressure-bearing parts, and readily available springs, screws, nuts, and bolts.
The good thing: Even if you get this gun, It still is kinda difficult to get ammo. Stop right there if you want to tell me how easy that is, I know. But it’s not that easy. It’s one of those things that require a bit more brains and contacts, the first being a barrier for those stupid fucks, the latter an increased risk of getting caught (the more people involved, the easier to get caught).
But yeah, it kinda looks like we should also start regulating 3D-printers and require registration on purchase. Not really a fan of mass surveillance, but if you have a database of people who bought a 3D printer, you kinda have a starting point if you are looking for those assholes.
Sucks that they are ruining things for all of us, but they’re fascists - it’s literally the only thing they do with success.
Should we regulate CNC machines and laser/water cutters as well?
Makers aren’t the problem. It’s what some makers make. If you ban or restrict tools, they’ll just use different tools/methods. Or just break the law, because they already don’t care about laws. Just makes it harder for legitimate users to get anything done.
We should sort out how people get radicalized and fix that problem.
Yeah, I know. Just like cars aren’t the problem of traffic deaths (okay well actually they are). But we still register them to easier find the culprit in a hit and run.
If you ban or restrict tools, they’ll just use different tools/methods.
Good. Make it harder for them.
Or just break the law, because they already don’t care about laws.
Good. Again it makes it harder for them to acquire the tools without getting caught.
I know how to make weapons, ammo or explosives. I’d stell 100% get busted trying to make it on my own, because shops keep lists of the people buying the necessary chemicals, and finding “dark connections” isn’t easy - they have to trust you, you have to trust them, and you can’t just go make an ad in a newspaper, can you?
Have none if you ever tried actually breaking the law in a slightly large manner? It’s not that easy if you don’t have any connections.
But yeah, it kinda looks like we should also start regulating 3D-printers and require registration on purchase. Not really a fan of mass surveillance, but if you have a database of people who bought a 3D printer, you kinda have a starting point if you are looking for those assholes.
It kind of sounds like you are in favor of mass surveillance. Try to make me register my CR10 with the state and you’ll see my opinion on 2A flip instantaneously
“They’re fascists,” and you want my name on a list because I own an articulated octopus machine
As a European with sensible gun laws, don’t give a shit about 2A. And registering your purchase is like such a common thing, you do it’s when buying ammo, a firearm, a car, an apartment…
Oh no, you are on a list of 3D printer owners. Oh no, the world will end.
Oh no, you are on a list of 3D printer owners. Oh no, the world will end.
And when they ban manufacturing of guns, first people they’re getting search warrants for are those with registered 3d printers. Why else have the list?
And registering your purchase is like such a common thing, you do it’s when buying ammo, a firearm, a car, an apartment…
Most US states don’t require registration of either firearms or ammo. Background checks are only required for the firearm, which does leave a trail, but only of X serial number was purchased by Y person on Z date. If you make your own firearms, depending on the state, serial numbers are optional, or can be whatever you want.
Also my car is only registered if I want to drive on public road ways. Not on purchase. Apartments, houses, etc, only apply when I want to update my license to drive, or vote. Otherwise the government couldn’t give 2 shits.
You live in a horrible surveillance state and defend it. Most modern countries are to some degree, but you’ll gladly hand over you internet, contact and travel history when asked it seems. All for the benefit of something that doesn’t care about you.
The question is, how to regulate 3D printers without it being trivial to bypass?
The modern 3D printer designs grew out of reprap (replicating rapid prototypers). Repraps are designed to be printed , and use a minimal set of “vitamins”. Many/most of these can be brought, or made at home, or in a small workshop. The hardest unique part is the nozzle, and that can be turned on a lathe fairly easily.
Beyond that, how do you even define a 3D printer? Will they also require registration of all hand drills? They can be used to make guns too.
Basically, any ban will be the legal equivalent of masturbation.
Found the audience I’m talking about. I’d gladly register my own 3D printer, it’s no biggy for me. you do know how much you are registering, right? Car, apartment, cellphone sim card, pet, bank account, in many countries even drones? Where’s the issue with 3D printers?
Oh, right. Because you don’t want to print replacement parts for your fridge, but gun parts.
Edit: I love all these people replying to me with internet connections and phone sims registered on their name how we cannot register 3D printer owners because that will make the world end.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9
Well, there’s a great reason to tighten gun control laws and start regulating several more firearm parts. I mean, who needs firearm parts anyway if they don’t have a gun? Airsoft people? Nah, they are cool, if you wanna make rogue, 3D-printed guns harder to get, they’d give up their realistic firearm parts in a heartbeat - and if not, you just found someone whose shopping list you might wanna check for
The good thing: Even if you get this gun, It still is kinda difficult to get ammo. Stop right there if you want to tell me how easy that is, I know. But it’s not that easy. It’s one of those things that require a bit more brains and contacts, the first being a barrier for those stupid fucks, the latter an increased risk of getting caught (the more people involved, the easier to get caught).
But yeah, it kinda looks like we should also start regulating 3D-printers and require registration on purchase. Not really a fan of mass surveillance, but if you have a database of people who bought a 3D printer, you kinda have a starting point if you are looking for those assholes.
Sucks that they are ruining things for all of us, but they’re fascists - it’s literally the only thing they do with success.
@ProcurementCat
Should we regulate CNC machines and laser/water cutters as well?
Makers aren’t the problem. It’s what some makers make. If you ban or restrict tools, they’ll just use different tools/methods. Or just break the law, because they already don’t care about laws. Just makes it harder for legitimate users to get anything done.
We should sort out how people get radicalized and fix that problem.
@throws_lemy @Semi@kbin.social @ClopClopMcFuckwad
Yeah, I know. Just like cars aren’t the problem of traffic deaths (okay well actually they are). But we still register them to easier find the culprit in a hit and run.
Good. Make it harder for them.
Good. Again it makes it harder for them to acquire the tools without getting caught.
I know how to make weapons, ammo or explosives. I’d stell 100% get busted trying to make it on my own, because shops keep lists of the people buying the necessary chemicals, and finding “dark connections” isn’t easy - they have to trust you, you have to trust them, and you can’t just go make an ad in a newspaper, can you?
Have none if you ever tried actually breaking the law in a slightly large manner? It’s not that easy if you don’t have any connections.
It kind of sounds like you are in favor of mass surveillance. Try to make me register my CR10 with the state and you’ll see my opinion on 2A flip instantaneously
“They’re fascists,” and you want my name on a list because I own an articulated octopus machine
As a European with sensible gun laws, don’t give a shit about 2A. And registering your purchase is like such a common thing, you do it’s when buying ammo, a firearm, a car, an apartment…
Oh no, you are on a list of 3D printer owners. Oh no, the world will end.
And when they ban manufacturing of guns, first people they’re getting search warrants for are those with registered 3d printers. Why else have the list?
Most US states don’t require registration of either firearms or ammo. Background checks are only required for the firearm, which does leave a trail, but only of X serial number was purchased by Y person on Z date. If you make your own firearms, depending on the state, serial numbers are optional, or can be whatever you want.
Also my car is only registered if I want to drive on public road ways. Not on purchase. Apartments, houses, etc, only apply when I want to update my license to drive, or vote. Otherwise the government couldn’t give 2 shits.
You live in a horrible surveillance state and defend it. Most modern countries are to some degree, but you’ll gladly hand over you internet, contact and travel history when asked it seems. All for the benefit of something that doesn’t care about you.
More like “oh no, Europeans will absolutely ban the sale and ownership of 3d printers if they’re allowed to”
The question is, how to regulate 3D printers without it being trivial to bypass?
The modern 3D printer designs grew out of reprap (replicating rapid prototypers). Repraps are designed to be printed , and use a minimal set of “vitamins”. Many/most of these can be brought, or made at home, or in a small workshop. The hardest unique part is the nozzle, and that can be turned on a lathe fairly easily.
Beyond that, how do you even define a 3D printer? Will they also require registration of all hand drills? They can be used to make guns too.
Basically, any ban will be the legal equivalent of masturbation.
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Yeah well keep living in Methville Alabama, while I’m advocating for a safer Europe.
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Found the audience I’m talking about. I’d gladly register my own 3D printer, it’s no biggy for me. you do know how much you are registering, right? Car, apartment, cellphone sim card, pet, bank account, in many countries even drones? Where’s the issue with 3D printers?
Oh, right. Because you don’t want to print replacement parts for your fridge, but gun parts.
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