A snake, a cat, a living toxic ball full of venom …and a puffer fish.
I am American and say .ml is the perfect representation of the American population.
Is it sarcasm?
Not at all. The only group I have ever seen that is as toxic as .ML was The Donald on Reddit. The Mods and users are literal propaganda machines and they all have alts and abuse the shit out of everyone who doesn’t boot lick authoritarians.
I honestly believe they are no different than the Alt-right. Maybe it is one of those horse shoe things, but more likely they are just disingenuous conservatives.
Id bet disingenuous conservatives from other cultures mixed in with useful idiot Americans.
Americans have a tendency to think the entire world is just McDonalds after McDonalds. There are millions of people on this earth that dont see things the way Americans do and the internet has no boarders.
more a horseshoe thing. Once someone gets so authoritarian, there’s kinda’ no point in even looking for differences. They’re both interested in tasting boot, so fuck 'em both.
nope, it would be center-right wing with a dash of "further right, but not maga right as a whole. is representative of america, ultra-left wing is a very small minority often with a younger population that isnt cognizant of history of "left leaning governments’, decades of anti-communist propaganda see to that a left leaning party never has power.
the rattlesnake is also venomous,
Im an anarcho communist and i can not fucking stand tankies. Especially the vangaurd dipshits
Anarcho communism…anarchosyndicalism…Christ I wanna take all these obfuscations, crumple them into a ball of just plain anarchy, and burn it. No offense of course!
Yeah, it just helps filter the madness. Anarcho capitalists still consider themselves anarchists even though they are fucking stupid
Well I guess nothing causes chaos quite like that 🤑
As a side note, I’ve only done very little Wikipedia level reading on anarchocommunism, and as much as I also believe people help each other willingly, I’ve yet to hear a good defence on how it would be possible with the massive populations we have now, as opposed to pre-history.
It’s all well and good that there are federated groups, with free association, but this is fundamentally ignoring that not all regions are equally blessed in resources.
If you have money, well then you need a centralised or decentralised way of miniting the money.
If you don’t have money, well, I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think that people will want to take care more of the people immediately around them, rather than people on the other side of the world, and since we’re not getting together on large scales to make binding decisions, then there’s no way to guarantee that everyone has a fair share.
I’m not saying that more decentralised government wouldn’t work, but I do remain thoroughly unconvinced that free association of small groups across the entire world, would lead to much equity at all.
And as much as we may dream, there WILL be dickheads ruining it for the rest of us. Humans are nice, but humans can also be awful. Pretending otherwise is foolish and doomed to failure.
I’m a socialist, and am very keen to hear your thoughts :)
You know what’s cute?
Watching Anarcosyndicalists argue vehemently with Anarchocapitalists
Ah geez just melt my brain instead 💀
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Wait until you meet the other people who hate tankies.
Tell me one (1) successful socialist revolution you support
Or, better, do you support the Spanish Civil War anarchists (who lost to fascism) more than the Bolsheviks (who won)?
Every time I see an anti-.ml meme I wonder, why are people so worried about people seeing .ml content? If they’re jerks, wouldn’t you want people to stumble into .ml and find out?
Before I found out, I would have preferred to find out naturally. After I did stumble in and find out, I wished somebody had warned me.
Oh poor thing, you’ll recover from the trama someday.
Roughly in about the timeframe you would remove the pointy tree branch from prostate that’s making you such a condescending cunt. 😢 sorry if I don’t hold my breath
Anti-leftism is an all consuming, load-bearing pillar of fascism. Since .ml is tangentially leftist aligned…
Authoritarians are not leftists LMAO
You’re right. The people who spent all of 2024 demanding unquestioning devotion to genocide supporters are not leftists.
The left/right axis is separate from the libertarian/authoritarian axis.
The USSR was an leftist authoritarian state.
This doesn’t stand materialist scrutiny. You don’t get an authoritarian state directed by a bunch of egotistic bureaucrats, and simultaneously the lowest wealth inequality in history in the region, guaranteed housing and the elimination of unemployment, the defeat of nazism, global support of anti imperialism such as in Vietnam or essentially all of Africa and Latin America, free education to the highest level, and high quality affordable public transit.
In my point of view calling yourself a socialist and not being able to criticise the blatantly anti-democratic and imperial power the USSR became is weird.
Socialism (in my view of it) necessarily requires democratic structures at work as well as government.
Despite the USSR’s positives (all countries have them) let’s not pretend like they had a good template we should emulate (on governance and voting, that is).
Without democracy, you’re basically hoping the people in charge are benevolent. But then when they’re inevitably not at some point, you have no way to peacefully remove them.
Next minute you’ll be telling me China is a democracy just because they elect people the the National People’s Congress. (Another country, with many positives, which is not a democracy).
And please do not confuse my criticism of notionally socialist states (China is definitely not), with implicit praise of the “democracy” in the United States, what they have is barely democracy.
My statement isn’t that the USSR was perfect, it is that all of the material benefits listed above must come from material reasons. You would not expect a government based on a set of self-serving antidemocratic bureaucrats to result in such benefits, because when that’s the form of governance it ends up more towards things like Saudi Arabia.
What’s more feasible, that Soviet Citizens got lucky with Lenin, then Stalin, then Khruschyov and then Brezhnev, or that there were actually democratic means of exerting popular power other than electoralism?
Why do you call the USSR “imperial” power? It never engaged in colonialism or economic exploitation of the global south, quite the opposite. What was imperialist about it?
Regarding China, I would argue they’re more democratic than the west based on the outcomes of governance and on the satisfaction of citizens with their government.
You would not expect a government based on a set of self-serving antidemocratic bureaucrats to result in such benefits
Sure, there was genuine ideological reasons for the USSRs achievements, but you’re moving the goal-posts a bit. The original claim you were disputing was whether the USSR was authoritarian, which many people agree that it was.
There can be genuine and successful efforts to improve people’s lives under any system, including in the USSR.
What was imperialist about it?
- The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and occupation of Poland
- The Winter War against Finnland
- The East German uprising of 1953
are the first to come to my mind.
It would be a lot easier to defend the USSR if they only intervened to allow the proletariat to hold referendums, but we both know this is not what happened on many occasions.
It seems to me that Russia was continuing in the tradition Russian Empire, just under new management, and was definitely the first among “equals” in the USSR and its sphere of influence.
Anti-leftism is an all consuming, load-bearing pillar of fascism.
litewally im in the anti-bad guy good guys cwub, if you’we not in the anti-bad guy good guy cwub ur litewally a bad guy
Edit: in before the guy who originally made this joke is litewally a bad guy. Ok, I don’t know him, it is just a relevant joke
No one “worries” about seeing it. It’s that if you engage with anyone from, or anything posted in, a .ml, about any topic at all, you’ll eventually be hit with “capitalism causes all problems in the universe” or the rest of their standard “I’m 19 and this is deep” tankie talking points like some mandatory checklist of things they have to cram into every post or they get kicked out of the instance. It’s exhausting and pointless. No one runs around elsewhere in Lemmy making it a point to defend capitalism, so it’s just of a constant eye-roll when “I’m an independent thinker! Here’s the same thing we all say!” happens.
Edit: OOOh, seems like I struck a nerve, eh?
When people post comments like yours or memes like the above it really comes off as defending capitalism and the status quo…
Don’t you understand how mypoic a view that it? How dependent it is on you thinking you have an absolute lockdown on ALL ideas there can be, and that anyone who isn’t you is against you? Only a fool would think that everything is split in perfect dualism and that you’re the only one that’s right.
It’s basically the same thing I see from super evangelical family members. If it’s not something they like, it’s “from Satan.” Is that really a behavior you’re trying to emulate? That level of absolutism and rigidity of thought?
FFS, both Lenin and Marx warned you about the dangers of rigid thinking. And here you are, doing exactly that! You’re not even a good Marxist!
You’re taking everything to absurd extremes and assuming I’m something that’s convenient for your weak argument. People posting memes like this are pushing for the lockdown of ideas.
Speaking of taking it to extremes, y’all (or maybe 1 person with 5 accounts, it’s hard to tell) so far in this thread people have reacted to saying “yeah, they’re annoying about how they interact with other people” as: trying to put ideas on lockdown, wanting to silence anyone “left of me,” that I’m actively supporting all existing political structures and capitalism, and then a ton of personal attacks. Because I explained the joke to someone else.
I especially loved that my “hopes are also profoundly stupid.” Ah yes, a response that is classy, high-brow, and I’m fairly sure it’s a direct quote from Lenin at the Zimmerwald Conference (since I have to tell you all, apparently, that was sarcasm).
Seriously, look around here. Y’all are not fun to talk to in general about anything because of this right here. And when someone says it out loud, you happily confirm you’re not fun to talk to and do the thing that the meme is about.
This isn’t about your ideas, it’s about how abrasive and annoying you are to interact with. Look at how many times I’ve had to repeat that, and every time you all immediately jump to “yOu’Re sIlEnCiNg iDeAs!” No, y’all are bad at human-to-human interaction. Without enough self-reflection to even pause and see that’s what was happening from the start.
No one “worries” about seeing it.
Then block them and quit whining that people don’t like exploitation as much as you.
Did you know the explaining the thing doesn’t mean one endorses the thing? Did you know that explaining the thing isn’t “whining” about it, but, in fact, is explaining the perspective of another person? It’s important to learn about other perspectives, even if you don’t like them.
I find it mildly annoying, but not bad enough to bother blocking anyone.
It’s that if you engage with anyone from, or anything posted in, a .ml, about any topic at all, you’ll eventually be hit with “capitalism causes all problems in the universe” or the rest of their standard “I’m 19 and this is deep” tankie talking points like some mandatory checklist of things they have to cram into every post or they get kicked out of the instance. It’s exhausting and pointless.
This sure sounds like whining. Because that’s all you’re doing. How dare people to your left not immediately kill themselves for your comfort.
Let’s consider the same text with a different context and see if it sounds like something else.
It’s that if you engage with anyone from, or anything to do with, New York, about any topic at all, you’ll eventually be hit with “New York is the greatest city in the world!” or the rest of their standard “Ayyyy, NYC!” New Yorker talking points like some mandatory checklist of things they have to cram into every post or they get kicked out of the city. It’s exhausting and pointless.
It’s that if you engage with anyone from, or anything posted in the Linus Tech Tips Forum, about any topic at all, you’ll eventually be hit with “Linux is better than Windows” or the rest of their standard “Arch is the only distro worth using” Linux talking points like some mandatory checklist of things they have to cram into every post or they get kicked out of the forum. It’s exhausting and pointless.
I wrote this as essentially the statistics of interactions, and acknowledging that it will end a conversation about any other topic, no matter how much work one puts into keeping the conversation on topic. It’s just very likely to be how interactions go in my experience. Doesn’t actually bother me one bit, but it does seem like a poor way to go through life.
I wrote this as essentially the statistics of interactions,
And the “19 and edgy” thing? Come on. You’re whining because people to your left are allowed to speak and you want permanent silence so you can listen to the fascists on the right.
yeah, it reminds me of college freshmen. You get one idea stuck in your head and lose all sense of nuance or perspective.
are allowed to speak
No, y’all are annoying about HOW you communicate your opinions. Which I’ve repeated several times in this thread and none of you seem able or willing to understand it’s communication style and not the ideas that anyone is talking about here. And it’s just annoying, no one wants to silence you, you can’t even understand that. Y’all are so sensitive that simply calling you out for being abrasive about one thing is some grant attack on your ego and all the “right” ideas in the world and your entire identity. You’re just as bad as any MAGA people can be.
Say anything you want, but I can get “it’s capitalism’s fault!!1!” anywhere. It’s not a unique or special take. That doesn’t 1) make it necessarily true, and 2) convince anyone that maybe it actually is capitalism’s fault. Tell me WHY, in that circumstance, be specific, nuanced, and detailed about why you think capitalism did he bad thing. Maybe listen to Marx about rigidity of thought.
I do not look forward to your response where you make up some BS about me selling stocks to pay for this interaction or something equally untrue and absurd.
Certain people just like echo chambers and can’t see the value of opposing beliefs or arguments, no matter the level of sense that those may or not make.
My conspiracy is that people are trying to ramp up enough of a campaign to defederate from .ml, not knowing it’s history on Lemmy and how most .ml users are actually quite chill and actually genuine people once you get to know them. I mean Jesus Christ guys, .ml users arent all bots.
It does seem that way. I think you’re right
Libs vs tankies is just an extension of imperial conflict.
Probably good to warn people that .ml isn’t representative of the fediverse at large, they’re just very loud.
If you were introducing a new friend to America but for some reason, knew their flight was landing in a MAGA convention, would you not warn them so they didn’t immediately turn around and go home?
.world is much louder than .ml
Much louder and more annoying about what they hate. .ml sticks to their same places. .world then invades and has its trolls stalk accounts into debates.
Okay, so if your friend would be frustrated by fairly mainstream opinions, wouldn’t you warn them about that too? Or just better to have them sort it out for themselves?
Seems pretty simple…
Telling my friend, someone I know, is one thing. Buying a billboard is another
You buy your memes instead of just making them while on the toilet? Wild.
But the larger point is that for a growing social network, yeah, warning newcomers about a group most find unpleasant (and given the upvote ratios on the post, the fediverse seems to agreed) seems a simple courtesy and helps us expand. Doing so in a jokey meme is just a fun way to do so.
I just don’t follow the logic. Let people waunder in to .ml and find out for themselves. Right now it just looks like the libs of .world are trying to censor .ml. What is .world so afraid of? Lemmygrad? That place is hilarious.
A warning isn’t censorship…
But, let’s work through the logic if you really don’t get it.
Why would you warn your friend but not others in the MAGA convention example? (Maybe this is the key.)
During the Reddit exodus, there were lots of complaints about left wing extremism. Most of them were landing on ml, grad or hexbear. This isn’t a good thing in the long run, so the bad press is necessary; otherwise this place risks being branded as “tankie HQ” before we can get some real traffic here.
Left wing extremists are much better than the right wing variety, yes?
The barrel of the gun we’re left looking down looks the same
We’re getting ever closer to world run by right-leaning authoritarians and you’re worried about getting killed by tankies?
Yes? Acting like tankies haven’t also killed people… I had tankies stalk me on lemmy because I: was under 30, and did not have a political science degree. You’d think that’s an exaggeration but it’s not.
Uh huh, and what’d you say to cause that?
Became a moderator of c/politics saying that we wouldn’t censor based on political view
Oh no, the barrel of the gun of universal healthcare!
The question was about extremists
Yeah but that’s what extreme leftists suggest: universal healthcare and education, guaranteed employment and housing, good retirement benefits, good working conditions under collective ownership…
That alone is not what makes someone an extremist, and you know that
They’re the same picture.
You need glasses
Centrists seem to be able to differentiate when they’re deciding who to listen to.
It’s never anyone to their left.
Tbf this place was programmed by volunteer “tankies.”
The term “tankie” now has about as much meaning now as “woke” does. It’s just a generalization for people to smear an ideology they don’t understand, and have no intention of trying to understand, because they fear that any perceived interest would cause ostracization from their group. People who use tankie almost certainly have no real historical understanding of Marxist projects beyond what they learned in grade school and what their favorite podcaster is saying.
better than landing in fascist, neo-reddit instances like .world.
fascist
Fascism is a specific thing actually
.ml is just the latest designated “tankie” instance. So far it’s the third one. Once .world defederates from .ml, the same people who currently hate .ml will designate another “tankie” instance to hate.
People designated .ml as a tankie instance for very good reason: the admins of .ml have repeatedly shown to be pro-authoritarian.
For years now I’ve seen incessant gaslighting from tankies pretending that “tankie” is some catch-all term baselessly thrown around like “woke”. However, I’ve pretty much exclusively seen the term “tankie” used to describe people who support authoritarian regimes/dictatorships.
There was a few people calling dbzer0 a tankie instance, when it’s an anarchist instance.
Yeah we’re somehow Tankies for wanting democrats to try harder and saying we need to do more then vote.
An ‘anarchist’ instance which claims to oppose genocide, yet allows genocide denial if it’s painted red, and where the admins deny UN verified sexual assault.
Fantastic.
I don’t support authoritarian regimes, but I get called a tankie plenty by centrists who hate that I don’t support the authoritarian regime that their wing of the party sold weapons to.
“Tankie” is just something the genocide wing calls people who disagree with their only policy.
ah, then my impressions are biased, since I haven’t heard that term outside of Lemmy.
There’s pretty much only one person I know irl that calls themselves a “centrist”.
LOL. Your main instance — lemmy.blahaj.zone —has a blanket ban on all Marxist Leninists, regardless of whether they are “tankie” or not. That is the most authoritarian thing I have seen on Lemmy so far and it’s from a self-proclaimed anarchist instance. The hypocrisy is hilarious. Anarkiddies are so unserious.
Sure? But Blahaj isn’t a country, it’s a social media.
I’m free to register on multiple instances at once. If I ever became displeased with Blahaj’s admins, I could very easily go elsewhere.
Why are you talking about countries? This thread is about social media.
My apologies for the confusion.
In my original comment, I was talking about the term “tankie”, which is a term we’re seeing used a lot on Lemmy (a social media) to refer to people who support authoritarian governments (of countries, such as Russia and China).
In my reply to you, I meant to say that the effects of a Lemmy instance being “authoritarian” aren’t at all as harmful to its users as an authoritarian country is to its residents, since it’s easy to change instances but its not generally easy (and sometimes not reasonably possible) to change countries.
So .world is extremely anti free speech? Is there an easy way I can block all of .world from my feed then?
Free speech means that you can speak your opinion freely without the state (country…) punishing you for it.
Free speech doesn’t mean I have to listen to/read everything.
And yes, you can block the whole of lemmy.world easily, if you want to.
Didn’t ask what you wish I meant by “free speech” or what you’re glad I don’t mean by it.
Would thank you for answering what I asked if you didn’t waste my time answering (with fucked up wording) those 2 un-asked questions first
People who rant about “free speech” typically mean “hate speech” but don’t have the balls to just call it that.
Why do you want to block an instance? You don’t like free speech?
Wow you really wasted 5 seconds reading a lemmy reply
I did answer with these statements on your first question. Regarding the second one, sorry I’m not the tech support.
Yes, you can block it in settings.
Interesting way of reasoning: “They are bad because they block stuff they don’t want to read, so I block them because what they do is stuff I don’t want to read.”
Shouldn’t you be blocking yourself if you follow that way of reasoning?
There’s a lot of users there who would very much prefer that no one to their left (and only their left) should be permitted to speak.
Your reply comes form there but will probably be the last post I see from there because I’m gonna go ahead and block the instance. Unless that still lets replies come through (fine with me, main feed is more my focus)
Oh look, someone else to block.
Just block the instance, makes you happier and the trolls are left without food.
i blocked the triad of tankies when someone reccomended it a few months ago, plus any conservative ones. and any users trying to infiltrate from those instance into the other ones that defederated with them.
Just wall yourself up in a safe lil echo chamber.
I chortled
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
gallumph
Huzzah, that was my hope!
Piefed and .world the ultimate lost Redditor starterpack.
You’re on .world though.
That’s how we know
I despise the posts here constantly whining about .ml about basically nothing.
Users go there to call everyone a Tankie, then get banned, and then make whine posts here as if they got banned for no reason.
I dont get this
They think being against authoritarians means you’re a Reddit-style neoliberal.
You forgot “Joined 2 years ago”
Hey!
Why do so many tankies hang out on a Mali top level domain?
Marxism-Leninism
Wait… Is this actually why they chose the “ml” domain?
Yeah. I expected it to be machine learning related at first.
Asked an older colleague what he associated with ml. Straight to marxist-leninism. (To the east of the curtain)
machine learning
That “learning” grift is decades old. They’ve moved on to “intelligence” now.
Machine learning wasn’t a grift. You are just mad and wrong and triggered.
Its actually because it was free at the time.
Classic
I thought this was a weird submission to unix_surrealism at first thanks to my brain immediately going to the puffer
… grendel is a psyop
So I should avoid Libertarians, OpenBSD, and the IWW?
I don’t know about the rest but yeah libertarians generally suck. But they can be really funny, just not when they’re trying to tell jokes.
For my favorite of all time, go to r/libertarian and search “age of consent”, then sort by controversial
Also libertarians support… checks notes…
selling children as consumer goods in accord with market forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard#Children’s_rights_and_parental_obligations
Yes you should definitely avoid libertarians. They’re not living in reality. The other two are probably fine.
Fair enough (OpenBSD is an operating system and the IWW is a major union)
How nature says block.
the lemmy devs all on lemmy.ml
Something something platform foundation something something
The whole thing is basically compromised
I don’t get it. Where is loss?
OpenBSD
Thanks for the laugh.
