legally pay for youtube music.
legally add family to family account.
legally share it with them even though they’re not in the house
youtube: nope not gonna work for me; account deleted
use yt-dlp to rip songs
save to folder
add folder to jellyfin
share jellyfin with family
youtube: suddenly i can’t see
I have to hand it to them, they are really good at finding new, innovative ways to make the platform worse.
Deactivated Premium recently. I used their music app when driving – expecting some ads now - nope, it just doesn’t allow running in the background anymore.
Seems like such a hostile thing - I’d like to think running ads would be a positive net income for them. (Now that I think of it - maybe they don’t have it built out into their music service.)
Revanced
This you can even use YouTube Music with it.
Fuck GOOG for normalizing surveillance capitalism
Fuck YouTube in particular for making it basically impossible to usefully host an Invidious proxy any more and for their algorithmic manipulationPeerTube is the Way
Or bit-torrent swarms for video sharing?
A big problem with peertube is monetization. There should be some sort of mechanism that’d do that automatically. Otherwise there won’t be much content ever. Don’t get me wrong, I’m really happy that it exists but just don’t see it replacing even few % of YouTube as it is.
If you want monetization and scalability, you’re gonna have to get ads. Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare. Very few people (less than 0.1%) are “making it” on Patreon and the like. The bitter truth is that most users can’t afford to financially support their favorite creators, and damn near zero creators could get the level of exposure needed to be sustainable without an ad-based platform backing them.
Video hosting is expensive af. Ultimately, small-time content creation is completely dependent on corporate benefactors. This is why every video platform that’s tried to compete against YouTube has failed. Nebula is trying, but that’s only useful to creators who fit within its specific niche.
I’m not saying this as a vote of support for the current system. Just an observation of how the market has played out so far.
Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare.
Believe it or not, YouTube Premium is one of them. A Premium view is worth more than an ad-supported view to a creator.
(Obviously Patreon is better, as they can’t make a living off of only Premium views because it’s a smaller group; the population of ad-supported users is much much larger. But YouTube Premium does benefit the creators more than ad-supported YouTube does.)
you’re gonna have to get ads
I don’t think that necessarily follows.
Have you heard of self-hosted Patreon-similar Ghost ?
No, and neither has anybody else. Not saying that to be rude or dismissive, but just using their own numbers on the front page to paint a picture. They have ~3,000 paying members as of right now. Patreon has over 10,000,000 paying members, and even then only a tiny, tiny fraction of their creators are actually sustainable.
Paid subscription services like this are a great idea, in theory; I’d love to get away from ad-supported platforms. But the truth is that they just don’t work for all but a few lucky people.
YT also has a “tiny, tiny fraction” of creators that make a living there. There are many, but there are also gargantuan numbers of people never going beyond a handfull views because they can’t reach their audience without paying or LUCK. No saying you’re wrong though.
That’s 100% true, but YT also foots the bill that creators would otherwise be responsible for when it comes to just the basics. Free hosting/distribution of high res full-length videos, globally accessible, with a player app that is actively developed and maintained, a recommendation algorithm to put your content in front of viewers’ eyes… That, alone, has tremendous value for a creator that they really can’t get anywhere else without paying out of pocket. All of those things would have to otherwise be paid for/maintained by the creators. While it’s not a direct payment, YT relieves a huge burden for creators.
It sucks because it keeps creators’ success dependent on corporate oligarchs. But at the same time, it’s also great because it gives them a fighting chance to get started.
True, yes. But there’s also vimeo and the federated services like (forgot the name because I rarely consume any video anywhere). It’s not just YouTube. People just use it because they don’t know the others or just want to be famous (for reasons beyond me but that’s besides the point)
That is correct. Though I guess that there aren’t more than 0.1% on yt that are “making it”. You just don’t see the vids that got 5 views since 2004 or the millions of ppl that so dread to be someone yet never gain traction.
And you know when exactly YouTube went total ape-shit? The moment people could earn some meager bucks. Then shitty content flooded the whole platform until it was full of crap and actual good content got harder and harder to find in that pile of “you might wanna see this” Nowadays i see the frontpage, sigh in disgust and close the page. And I haven’t even seen an ad there yet. This would be the cherry on top
Shallow content comes from trying to manipulate the recommendations algorithm and “go viral”. Without a recommendations algorithm, the incentive disappears.
The front page is a direct reflection of the content you engage with.
Not in my case. I watch one vid per year or so, and I block everything google. They don’t know jack.
And props to the dedicated folks still running Invidious instances like https://yewtu.be/
Monetization itself is the problem.
Where would the money come from?
I’d be perfectly fine with some sort of subscription. That gets distributed to authors I watch. But I can see technical challenges to it.
*available on all platforms and browsers (including iOS/iPadOS)
uBlock Origin is also available on iOS/iPadOS but only through the Orion browser. It would be nice if other browsers figured out how to allow Firefox extensions too but so far it looks to just be Orion.
I’m not sure how Orion gets away with it, but Apple has been deadset against allowing other browsers to exist on their platform, Chrome, Edge, and Firefox on iOS are just a Safari wrapper. This strongly limits what they can offer for extensions. The only people who own Apple phones is Apple, everyone else is just renting.
First of all: The extension doesn’t seem to be blocking any connection on Orion, only websites.
Second of all: Here’s a link to the uBlock Origin Light app on the AppStore
That app doesn’t work with the current version of safari. This is what I see when trying to enable:
“uBO Lite” is not supported by this version of Safari.
I’ve been using Orion with uBlock and have been satisfied the last few months.
Requires just about the latest iOS (18.6)
Also - Apple seems to be hiding it from search results on the App Store even though I found it a week ago!
That was my reminder to update my system. Thanks!
I’ll test out Safari + uBO for a bit and see if I prefer it. Do you have any sites you can check for how good your adblocker is? I used to use one but that was ages ago, I don’t remember the name anymore.
:)
Top web search results for “adblock test”—the top two, both, are usually good to both run (though I’ve never been too scientific about it)! One tries to show ads for your review, the other gives a % blocked.
Meanwhile on Steam my “family” consists of 3 adults with different addresses, last names, and credit cards, who have had accounts for decades and never lived at the same place.
We have full access to each other’s library.
Gabe Newell is 62 years old. Gonna enjoy this gravy train while we can…
Man I hope he lives to a 100 at least, why am I always late to the party, I learn about Limewire and it dies the next year, I get access to my sister’s Netflix account and Netflix goes to shit, I’m finally able to afford a gaming laptop and buy Steam games and now I’m too busy and tired from work to play them and Gabe is getting older. I wish I could go back in time and do things differently
Instead of wishing it was the past, imagine its the future and you want to go back to now to tell yourself something. What would that be?
I’d tell myself to start investing my money and hit the gym, but I’m unemployed right now and I know once I’m employed again finding the time in this rat race is gonna be difficult but I’m gonna start valuing my time more seriously, I’ve uninstalled doom scroll apps like Instagram and I’m working on time blocking my tasks, hopefully that pays off
Good for you! I hope you find a good job soon.
In the meantime, I recommend doing some exercise because that’s something you can completely control your progress on. If you don’t have a gym membership, body weight workouts are absolutely a thing you should check out.
My understanding is that gaben has already put an action plan in place for when the company moves on from his leadership.
From what I’ve heard of it, the people in line behind Gabe will be upholding the same values.
We should have at least another ~40 years or more of this before sometimes entitled brat inherits the company and sells it off to a foreign interest.
With all that being said: long live gaben.
With all that being said: long live gaben.
I like Steam, I like that they aren’t being dicks and treat users well. That said: billionaires are not your friend.
There is no such thing as an ethical billionaire.I didn’t say there was.
I just want this specific billionaire to continue to live because, unlike most billionaires, he’s not making my life more difficult.
He’s basically refused to let steam become enshittified. Other billionaires would have long ago succumb to the one that they serve, the almighty dollar, and done whatever they can to extract the most value from their user base. Enshittifying the platform in the process, and actively making my life worse.
So as far as I’m concerned, when it comes to billionaires, gaben is far from the worst.
I have a short list of billionaires that kinda fit into the category of: I don’t mind that they exist.
There’s a much longer list of billionaires that I’d like to see pushing up the daisies.
Not that I can, or would, do anything to make that happen. I just, wouldn’t hate it if it happened.
Fair enough. It isn’t that they’re better, it’s just that they’re less worse.
I would say, they’re not necessarily good, just less bad.
Same idea though.
Gaben is gonna be the first person to digitally upload their consciousness.
While steam has historically been “good”, doesn’t mean it’ll stay that way…
Sure, the 2 constants in the universe are Entropy and Enshitification. When Steam turns to shit I’ll go back to Piracy just like I did when Netflix went to shit.
My point is that companies don’t have to be shit about account sharing and family plans, and people don’t have to accept it.
It’s mostly that a feature on it went from “okayish” to “far more consumer-friendly”, which was incredibly unexpected of them to do. Everyone figured Steam library sharing would die but instead they roll out Family that has far looser restrictions than the system they’d had for over a decade.
Can’t play the same game at the same time unless both own it, and DLC isn’t shared, but my partner being able to play anything I own that I’m not playing is pretty rad of a positive change.
Meanwhile Nintendo’s system got worse instead.
Didn’t know steam even had a family option, it’s good to know
It’s pretty fantastic! In the past, you could share a library, and playing any game from that library would lock the entire library so others couldn’t use it at the same time. Today, that is loosened up and is much nicer to use.
How do you add new people? I tried and a prompt told me that we don’t seem to share a household.
I had that error a couple of times, and it inexplicably resolved itself. Try having the person join again (which may require a new invite). I think only 1 out of 4 members of my family were able to join without that initial error message. This was back when Steam had just switched how they handled family sharing, so I assumed it was just an implementation bug of some sort. One of my friends took three attempts before they could join, but it worked ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Though I will note that steam family sharing no longer works if the person is located in another country for the purposes of Steam billing region (so my Norwegian friend could not join my UK family)
Login on their PC or let them login on yours
That’s the old way of handling it. (And I think it still works.) They have a new implementation that’s just the family group admin sending an invite and the recipient accepting.
Which only works If you were in the same Network atleast for me
After I made my comment I saw someone else make a comment about getting a message saying that. I never did. Mine just worked. Weird.
If one changes their password afterwards, will the share persist? Old Steam family sharing broke after changing the passwords.
Should still work. Not 100% sure tbh
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The whole internet has gone to shit
Not here though. This is the good stuff
Firefox + ublock origin still works to block all YouTube ads
Invidious is a frontend for YouTube that blocks all their trackers and ads
PeerTube is an alternative community ran platform to replace YouTube in the future
ff+ubo+privacy badger (ff on my distro suggested privacy badger, can’t remember exact number but when ubo blocks over ~1k privacy badger has like 2 - 4 on it, surprising me a little there are not more trackers) on pc, my phone has no adblocking atm and I know their info on me is wrong because all I do see are gambling ads and I have never gone to a gambling site, I don’t even get the scam game ads my gf does on her phone. One day I may try out one of the “delete my dam info” places just to see how much they really have on me
Just use Firefox Mobile to watch YouTube.
Ad blocking through uBO and can enable playing with locked screen.
I keep trying to convert my friends to using Firefox mobile for this reason. I generally try not to evangelise too much, but I have so many friends who keep complaining about ads when browsing the internet on mobile, and this would literally solve their problem. One friend complained about ads so frequently that they ended up getting irked at me telling them the problem was solvable. Our unhappy compromise was that I would stop telling them to use Firefox and uBO if they stopped complaining about this so much in front of me.
I respect their choices, but by God, I’m baffled by them. I get that inertia makes it hard to make switches like this, but when you’re spending so much time complaining about how much effort it takes to use the internet on your mobile, why would you not just solve the problem?
I had someone say “Well, yours doesn’t do ads” and, in the year of 5 manufacturers pumping out 10 different SKUs a year, we had the same model phone.
I said “Yours doesn’t have to, if you set it up that way.”
The answer? “Well, c’mon, play the video.”
Like, yeah, let’s just brush past the… What? Five or six tap solution? And before anyone asks, not a romantic opening. Generally people don’t make passes at bridge trolls who evangelize for open source software.
Running personalDNSFilter (whole phone, non-root adblocker) blocks ads just fine for me in the official unmodified Youtube app.
Just use Firefox Mobile
to watch YouTube.There we go, fixed it for you
I really wanted to like and use Peertube more, but it’s so devoid of any content aside from political podcasts, as far as I can tell. I can’t tell if the search function is bad, or I’m using it wrong, or there really is just that little content. Any recommendations for Peertube content?
Chrome + Ublock Origin Lite also still works, fyi.
Invidious sadly doesn’t allow for an account and subscriptions, at least not without running your own server which appears… complex.
That part is working now
I can load in my subscriptions.csv file from youtube into my subscriptions list on my Invidious account.
And that all works through a web browser
Google really seems to want to disincentivize people paying for YouTube Premium rather than just downloading an ad blocker.
Yea. I mean, I pay for it right now because it’s easy and works on all my stuff but frankly they’re really making me weigh how much convenience really matters. This kinda behaviour’s pretty garbo.
As someone with divorced parents this invalidates what I call a “family”. Same to you… Netflix
Why pay for premium anyway? Let alone a family plan. You still get ads. They can be skipped too — SponsorBlock will do it for free. Google could use this but chooses not to.
They want YouTube to be like cable TV. You pay for it. You watch ads. You pay more for premium channels.
I pay for it. No ads. Background playing on mobile, and YouTube music included.
Background playing on mobile
The fact that they put this behind a paywall is enough for me to never pay them a dime.
I found a neat little workaround that I used for a while. I’d load the video up in my browser, turn the phone on an off a couple times, press play on the lock screen, and enjoy it that way.
Edit:
Still works. Just gotta full screen the video and then power off before it kills picture in picture.
And now I’m listening in the background as I type this.
I found a little workaround called Newpipe.
I’ll check it out. Thank you.
I use NewPipe on my phone (and FreeTube on my laptop)
@interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml gave me a really good suggestion the other day. If youre on Firefox, it might work for you too :)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-background-play-fix/
I just have the video running on Firefox and can them go to another App / turn off the screen
Most certainly off-topic, but I have found other cool workarounds for apps.
For instance, if you open 2 windows of, say, PowerPoint (1 you want to use, the other you must close after; read below). Then, go to the one you don’t want to use (or at least one you use for this method), and wait for the no account/Office not bought/whatever pop up; in any case, do NOT close the pop up. Open the other PowerPoint, and then close the former. If done right, you’ll be pleasantly surprised that it works perfectly! After that, you can open any additional ppt files. Do note that, after you close PowerPoint entirely, you gotta do this all over again.
That’s fair
It used to just work. Then it only worked with a funny work around. Now I don’t care because I pirate their content instead.
I do too but the value is waning. When I try to watch without having logged in and see all the ads, that add some value back
In what scenario are you watching it without being logged in?
Go to a family member’s house and try to show them something on YT.
Cringe in horror at the experience.
I am aware of how bad logged out YouTube is, that’s why don’t do it lol.
Not the person you asked, but I do that sometimes. For instance, when I want to watch a specific video but I don’t want having watched it to affect other video recommendations.
I don’t know if this actually does what I hope it does, but if I happen to watch a video that I don’t want recommendations on in the future, I manually delete the video from my watch history.
I don’t know if that really helps, but at least as a placebo it feels good to do.
If unsure of a video, 1. on desktop open in new tab - if ya don’t want that content/creator click the 3 dots on the main page video and select don’t suggest channel, on phone (just did this a few mins ago) back out of video and since on mobile the home feed doesn’t reset hit the 3 dots etc
Incognito window =)
That’s how it’s done, yep.
I stopped watching YouTube logged in after getting FreeTube on my laptop.
I’m in a family plan, so when this change hits, going to have to find alternative methods.
I dont pay for it, use grayjay or firefox with ad block, I have no ads, background playing on mobile and I could care less about YouTube music.
I just pirate it
Pirate… what?
Videos from YouTube
How does one pirate free videos? Is there somebody uploading torrents of YouTube videos?
How have you never heard of yt-dlp?
Yt-dlp doesn’t pirate YouTube videos… it downloads them directly from YouTube.
when all the videos get put behind login walls and drm, perhaps someone will.
So you’re using SponsorBlock as well, or you’re watching videos without sponsors.
In-video sponsors are not even remotely the same thing as the ads YouTube puts on videos, but that being said no I’m not using SponsorBlock. YouTube premium has a button to skip in-video sponsors so I don’t need sponsor block.
NewPipe does this for free
I don’t have an android
I pay for it, also no ads except the sponsor plugs, which are pretty easy to skip. Overall a better experience than the non premium. I don’t live in the USA so my cost is like $5/month.
The three people who replied before you said they don’t get the sponsor plugs.
When I had YTP (I had a trial, it was like 3 months for $1), I got the sponsored segments. So either those other people are lying, or they don’t understand what I’m saying.
YouTube is my only subscription.
I use it for Music and Video. I definitely get my money’s worth, they’re streaming to me at least 8 hours a day.
If it’s not background music, it’s videos. I can’t even fathom how many hours of ads I have avoided.
same here, but even I’m looking to cancel both to avoid supporting a US company and because they’re making my experience worse by having a shitty user experience
I’ve never seen a single youtube ad with uBlock Origin. SponsorBlock takes care of most of the sponsored segments that a premium youtube account won’t get rid of.
You don’t get ads. You pay less than double what two premiums cost and your household can share.
I have YouTube premium and have not gotten any ads.
YouTube is fucking garbage.
I don’t care about the ads because it’s fucking garbage, and why would I watch garbage?
I pay for premium because currently it’s the easier option for getting no Ads on all my devices. Yes I could install a third party client on my TV, Phone & use uBlock on Desktop, but two of those require active upkeep.
- YouTube Music is included.
For sponsorships, YouTube Premium has the “Skip Ahead” feature which basically leeches off sponsorblock users where commonly skipped sections can be also skipped by you.
It’s just currently easier to pay than to pirate. I will say however, if it gets too shitty, I will resort back to pirating.
So is it YouTube family or YouTube household?
Either way, probably need to setup site to site VPN and route YouTube traffic through a central location, if you can block geolocation.
It’s called Premium Family, not Premium Household for fuck’s sake.
I’m willing to bet my left nut that they will rename it as such in the future.
Youtube can suck a peener. I will pirate whole channels if they keep fuckin’ up.
How? All the tools I looked up don’t work anymore
yt-dlp. You’ll need to either learn some light command line, or just look up what you’re trying to do ie scraping an entire playlist Etc
I love that program
It also works with other stuff besides YouTube. You can download porn with it with
yt-dlp https://xvideos.com/insert-porn-video-123
Ahh classic, punishing paying costumers while pirates don’t have to deal with any of this shit. I guess the beatings will continue until profits increase!
punishing paying costumers
Time to dress up as a pirate I guess.
And this still won’t be enough to stop people from using it.
it’s because Youtube is a content monopoly. TikTok is a platform for short content…on youtube it’s a feature with shorts. Twitch is a platform for live streaming content…on youtube it’s a feature with, other than discoverability, the same features. Any music streaming service? again…it’s a feature on youtube. The fact I could export my playlists from any music streaming platform and import it to Youtube and listen to it ad free via an ad blocker? come on. So as opposed to using multiple platforms, with youtube you have it all in one place. So no, this will not get people to stop using it.
Premium you don’t need if you’re even the slightest bit tech savvy. but no one is ever going to stop using youtube, there’s no point. I mean I use peertube as much as possible but every now and then I’m back on youtube because of all those features in one place and some things I just can’t find on peertube.
If you use a tv to watch, like my parents, this doesn’t work.
Automated Youtube pirate server that streams to your TV with UPNP?
That is simple and clean enough for less tech savvy people?
Yeah no
Have any more details for me? I have a small home server for them.
yt-dlp, it can be used to download playlists and also only download new videos in a playlist
That sounds complicated for my stepdad, he has brain damage and is not tech savvy at all
