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They forgot to add “Switch to Firefox” at the end of the title
Orrrr… don’t use Google Chrome.
Agreed. I never understood why anyone goes out of their way to install Chrome.
Rant:
Why not use Edge, which comes with the OS? I’m not promoting Edge, but it’s already there. If you’re going to install another browser, why not use Firefox instead? Every time I ask someone why they’ve installed Chrome, they either don’t have an answer or say something like “it looks nice”.
That said, Firefox’ handling of tabs is still horrible. “Go Vivaldi” on this count. Sadly it’s a Chromium browser.
How does Firefox fail you at tabs? I’ve always been happy with it, I sandbox my FB and Google social stuff, Save groups for opening at once, share tabs across devices, I don’t want for anything.
Chrome and Edge have native vertical tabs. I was an Edge user before the Manifest V3 fiasco, and it’s the one feature I dearly miss. There are extensions to add this functionality to FF, but they require extensive setup, and every new FF update breaks them. Edge also had shortcuts to open a link in new tab and switch to it or stay on the current tab. It’s the little things that you don’t really notice until they’re gone.
Don’t forget grouping tabs! I used that a lot to group all my youtube tabs, and reddit tabs. It makes it easy to minimize them all in one go, which leads to a neater browser experience without having to close all the tabs…
I recently switched back to Firefox after using Chrome for like a decade, and one of the first extensions I installed was a tab grouper that allows me to group tabs into my own custom gcontainers while still only using one window. As a tab hoarder, it’s been a life saver.
What’s the name of it?? I thought I looked everywhere when I made the swap early summer…
It’s called Simple Tab Groups, and it’s actually a Firefox recommended extension:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-groups/
Idk what people have about chromium tabs. Firefox does tabs just fine.
Also, edge does not come with most os, just w*ndows
Vivaldi does this out of the box: Tab grouping, tab stacking, tab stack renaming, vertical tabs, periodic tab reloading, etc.
Firefox has some catching up to do in this regard. I need extensions to do some of this. Tab stacking, for example, simply does not exist on Firefox, which means that my tab bar eventually makes me scroll horizontally.
Not badmouthing Firefox. Just saying that it isn’t the greatest in this area. Am still using it daily. I just don’t use it for tasks that require having many tabs at my disposal.
Edit: I didn’t say that Edge comes with most OSs. But Windows is the most widespread Desktop OS, so most people will have access to Edge “out of the box”.
Chrome was pretty good and somewhat faster than FF for a while in the oughts. At least it felt that way, and Google didn’t seem so evil at the time. My guess is people go with chrome out of inertia
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Amen. Only using Edge when there’s no other choice.
Usually there is, though.
Chrome, on the other hand, is never needed or required. At least I have never encountered such a scenario. Conceivably, a company admin could force it on employees, but in my experience, admins usually just stick with Edge if they run Windows and want to lock down company PCs from being tampered with.
Why not use Edge, which comes with the OS?
lol
Not with any of my OSes.
Sadly it’s a Chromium browser.
Chromium is the open source project, it doesn’t contain any of the Google Chrome specific changes.
Google’s changes for Chrome are a problem. That’s the main topic of this discussion.
To take it further, Chromium being mainly developed and maintained by Google and a ton of browsers basing themselves on that is another problem: Chromium monoculture and why it is a concern.
Chomium isn’t Chrome, but Chrome is Chromium. Just like Vivaldi or Edge aren’t Chrome, they’re Chromium (based). Unless you can show that these tracking features are going into the Open Source Chromium Project, we’re pretty safe. Google has stripped the “good stuff” (account syncing/backup and maybe a few other things I’m unaware of) from Chromium in order to force people to Chrome, at least on Linux.
Sure. I am with you. That’s not what my previous message was about, though.
I agree with you 100% on what you just said.
Unfortunately, on Android, Chromium based browsers are SIGNIFICANTLY more secure than any other browser framework. I recommend Mulch and Cromite.
Again, this is ANDROID specific. Everywhere else, I use FF based browsers.
You can’t just say that FF on Android is less secure and not give any sources for that claim.
I mean, you can, but that makes your claim not have any value.
I wasn’t trying to argue about, or even educate people, on the specifics. I was just making an objective statement of fact. Anyone is free to do their own research to validate my assertion, disprove it, or just ignore it.
But, okay, I can provide a good entry point into the topic with a good write-up on Android browsers from the developer of a security focused ROM, DivestOS:
https://divestos.org/pages/browsers
*He’s also the developer of two good Android hardened browsers: Mulch (Chromium) and Mull (FF/Gecko).
Edit: I also recommend NOT using Google’s official Android Chrome browser, just forks that are based around Chromium e.g. Mulch and Cromite.
The grapheneOS team also discourages using FF android but I still use it (well, Fennec). Add-ons are a must have and would never use a chromium browser.
Mobile FF on Android is just fine.
I’m having problems finding unpatched vulnerabilities on Android ff, could you expand on what makes it less secure?
Are there issues with FF on android?
I don’t know of them and I’ve used it for as long as it’s been available.
Everyone here has probably seen Scott McCloud’s Contra Chrome web-comic. In the off chance you haven’t, it details exactly why you shouldn’t use Chrome.
Never seen it before. I’ll give it a better read when I’m not so busy in a bit (taking a shit right now ;)
Instead, text the boss: this is gonna be a looong shit.
I haven’t seen it yet. Thanks for sharing.
I hadn’t seen it but am aware enough that it didn’t reach me a whole lot. But still.
Damn.
Laughs in Firefox
After dragging my feet for years I finally moved back to Firefox a few weeks ago. Sure, there’s a few features I miss from Chrome/Edge (vertical tabs, PWA support, tab groups, etc.) but I was able to ‘fix’ many issues with extensions and a custom userchrome.css, and trust is ultimately more important to me.
I’m thankful there are still free, open, privacy respecting options out there.
Oh man! Time to give Google a damn good show of a
morbidly obese balding 40 something world of warcraft guy beating it heavily to lesbian futanari furry content staring into the camera as he gets busy!Google wanted this to happen, so why not give those suckers the VIP First Class treatment?
Anybody else think of things that’ll make those Google folk writhe in visual and audial agony and cut the privacy invasion act?
Gawd Google really is just a despicable company
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Let me guess … every new update reverts Chrome back to default settings
Chrome feels like it’s updated every week
It’s a browser. They have been getting weekly updates for like a decade now.
Updates generally don’t require settings resets. It can happen if there’s major changes but that’s the exception, not the norm. If Chrome updates revert settings to default with any degree of regularity (I actually don’t know if they do, I haven’t really touched Chrome in ten? years) that’s either gross incompetence or sheer malice.
Fair enough. I stopped using it ages ago, and was abhorred to find out chrome logs you in on the browser when you log in to Google at any point. Any browser that silently insists on knowing your identity as you browse the Web deserves zero trust.
Thank firefox for containers.
Chrome updates itself about once every five - six days on my system
Firefox updates once about every two weeks and often just once a month.
Everytime I run a manual update, Chrome is always on the list.
