And what is the evidence for it being a Chinese spying platform? Is it owned by a Chinese company? Is there any hard evidence? Why is it so controversial?

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    Tiktok is owned by a Chinese company, so all of the data harvesting that’s perfectly fine for Facebook and Twitter to do suddenly became a problem for the US government.

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      It’s not about the data harvesting, please stop repeating this falsehood.

      It’s about how China is controlling the algorithm for polical goals. From pushing its claim over Taiwan to interfering with global elections by showing(or hiding) speicifc content to sway peoples choices.

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            They all suck, yeah. I think banning individual social media services is not the solution. The solution is to create meaningful laws that hold any company, Chinese or American, accountable for data privacy and misinformation/election interference violations.

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              Funny you say that, because Chinese apps like tiktok can’t ever be compliant with GDPR, and American ones are fully reliant on an executive order where Biden pinky swore to not use the Cloud Act against GDPR.

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              That wouldn’t solve the problem because the Chinese government is not bound by US law in China.

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                  Yes, which doesn’t solve the problem because the problem is in China. The Chinese government can demand any information that ByteDance possesses. Under Chinese law, they are bound to comply and bound to deny that they were even asked under threat of extremely harsh punishment.

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                    It does solve the problem at least as far as then you’d have legal standing to ban til too, and equally anything else that doesn’t follow the law

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                    I would expect a meaningful data privacy law would involve forcing the client software to be audited to ensure they aren’t collecting the information in the first place?

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        I mean, that’s exactly what Facebook and YouTube and Twitter do as well just over different things like radicalizing people towards Maga and whatnot.

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          Facebook and You tube haven’t been pushing Maga content, they’re just allowing it to exist. The feed itself isn’t set to give it to everyone or hide left-wing content for a default user.

          Twitter is a different story, and should probably also get banned at this point. Elon is absolutely using it to push his own rhetoric.

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            Really because I’ve had right wing content recommended all the time on YouTube even though I don’t watch it. I don’t see left wing content recommended outside of what I’m already subscribed to.

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              I consistently see both even though I’m subscribed to neither, so… no idea what you’ve taught the algorithm about yourself.

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      Seems like the most honest answer so far. The U.S. doesn’t trust the CCP with its citizens’ data. No surprise there.

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        Please read my reply to the comment, it’s not about data ownership, it’s about weaponizing algorithms.

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            Companies weaponizing algorithms for profit is different than governments weaponizing algorithms for all sorts of far worse reasons.

            If you can’t see that, you’re a bloody idiot.

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              You don’t think meta and xhitter are weaponizing algorithms for Republicans? They might not be the whole government, but they are now in power after coordinating their hate filled messaging and misinformation.

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                Meta, no. Twitter, yes.

                Twitter should be banned as well at this point. They have absolutely weaponized it, but not for government purposes, it’s for Daddy Elon’s purposes.

                Meta is just allowing the hate content, they aren’t prioritizing it to all users or something. My feed certainly doesn’t contain any of it.

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        Hard to believe this post is in good faith. This ban has been discussed at least for like 4 years now