• Nakrar@lemmynsfw.com
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    I’m sure shipping vast quantities of almonds and almond milk from places like California to the rest of the world produces almost no greenhouse gases /s

    Not to talk about the ecological damage it does to California due to the immense water consumption.

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        Per person or current polution rates? If this is a 1 to 10 comparison, having twice as much gasses produced doesn’t mean much.

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          The chart says those values are what it takes to produce one liter of each milk.

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            So we are talking about producing roughly 580 calories of almond milk vs producing 2400 calories of cow milk.

            So in terms of calories/pollution rate, we are talking about a scale of 1:2 in favor of cow milk efficiency.

            Meaning in terms of keeping people fed as a rate of efficiency in pollution, cow milk is twice as efficient.

            Does that math add up? feel free to check me.

            Edit: doubled the calories in an unsweetened silk almond milk for almond milk calorie count

            Used a local brand of whole milk that based on a short Google search seems pretty standard.

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              Sounds about right, though I’m not sure if I agree with the direct comparison of calories. Milk probably isn’t going to be a major source of a person’s calories (at least it wasn’t a major source of calories for me before I went vegan), and it seems unlikely that someone will drink 4 cups of almond milk to replace each cup of dairy milk they would have drank in order to maintain the same calorie intake from milk. Comparing by volume produced makes more sense to me, since someone switching milks seems more likely to use them as a 1 to 1 replacement volume wise, e.g. someone adding 1 cup of almond milk to cereal vs. adding 1 cup of dairy to cereal.

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                I dont think it is fair to discard the value of calories in a discussion of efficiency in food production.

                Milk is a staple of many American diets, maybe as a result of the Got Milk Yada Yada, my point being drinking a cup of milk is going to fill you up with x calories, weather you would have replaced it with 4 cups of almond milk or not.

                If you decided not to drink cow milk, and only had 30 calories from the single cup of almond milk you drank, the 90 calories you are missing will be made up elsewhere in your diet, potentially in a more inefficient replacement food.

                Sure, food scarcity is not the tightest conversation in America due to the prevalence of our high calorie diets, but in terms of human dietary habits as a whole, calorie density, difficulty of obtaining, and difficulty in distribution are desperate conversations that lives depend on.

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                  Milk is a staple of many American diets

                  North America systemically over-consumes, hence its obesity crisis.

                  the 90 calories you are missing will be made up elsewhere in your diet

                  this doesn’t accurately represent a person’s relationship with food

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                    You are factually incorrect on point 2 and point 1 was already addressed in my comment.

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                I wasn’t really going into the context of nutrition as much as I was discussing energy production.

                There’s good information to be found in this further analysis, but it relies on fine points of data that I didn’t want to get bogged down on.

                My concept is more just efficiency of energy production over pollution rate. Good details though, so thank you.

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        1 year ago

        Yes that neglects the transport though. Cow milk can PE produced locally almost everywhere. Cow milk I buy here was produced maybe 10km away from me. Almond milk was transported 5000+ km.