Mine is that the Disney+ shows should not have any impact on the movies, that they should just be on their own.
The MCU should have ended a little after Endgame. The MCU Earth is now fundamentally different than current Earth to the point where it is harder to write resonant stories in that Earth.
That the MCU had to reach into the idea of multiverses is a symptom that the plot baggage of the MCU is now a drag on the franchise.
Not really a big reader of the comics, but from my understanding the multiverse isn’t really a fringe topic. Seems like it’s been a pretty central aspect of the comics for decades.
It has been. Because that’s how story lines keep rolling. Letting death get in the way of the story is just a detail we can worry about another time.
They made a pretty good comic-accurate show about a big green lady and a few million extremely online teen boys had their penises fall off. RIP.
I also enjoyed the Captain Marvel movie, and even the Marvels was pretty decent compared to the rest of marvel’s recent crap. But they have female leads, so I guess they’re tainted with original sin.
Most of the female heroes are extremely boring. Not because they’re females, but because their writers suck.
Most of the male heroes are boring and poorly written. And yet people are more angry about the female heroes than the male ones. You can’t pretend it’s about quality at this point.
For real, they haven’t done anything interesting with Hulk in 15 years, the 2008/09 (I can’t quite remember) movie was average at best, after that it’s been a cameo fest because they cannot make new Hulk movies until they get the rights back, his best appearance was maybe in Thor Ragnarok, and yet nobody craps on Hulk.
Apart from Mark Ruffalo’s version of The Hulk, you’ll find that most comic fans do take the piss out of the previous Hulk movies.
Most comic fans do take the piss out of everything, I don’t even read that many comics and after seeing Captain America Civil War was disappointed AF, it was not only a water down version of the storyline, it was so different and the stakes were so low that made me ask myself why would they even call it Civil War to begin with.
Why I’m trying to say is that reading the comics will only make you hate more this adaptations, they rarely do justice to the characters and storyline, although that’s kinda OK since they are two different mediums.
Ah gotcha, yeah I’m with you 👍
I will respectfully disagree, I think Nolan’s Batman series was both a good comic book adaption and a great movie series that could stand on its own. Early Marvel has some really exciting storylines and characters too. My personal fav is Captain America and the Winter Soldier. I think the Marvel Netflix shows also had really strong writing and great male and female leads. I loved Daredevil, Punisher and Jessica Jones (and even Luce Cage to some extent thanks to Mike Colters portrayal). In my ideal scenario - I’d like to see epic writing that matches or surpasses this era to emerge. Whether this features an all female cast or all male, or a mix of everything in between is inconsequential to me.
What does that have to do with anything?
Thor has never been consistent. His every appearance does whatever it can to throw away the set up of his last appearance. When he was serious with a few fish out of water moments, everyone called him boring. He was better received when he became more irreverent, but this undercut every serious moment and became grating (see Love and Thunder).
Note how Captain Marvel fills a similar space as Thor originally had, being a serious cosmic hero with a few lighthearted moments sprinkled in. Note how the Captain Marvel films are better than half the Thor films. Note how much angrier people are towards Captain Marvel than they EVER have been towards Thor.
You are trying to say that male characters are just as boring as female characters yet people are madder at the female superheroes right? Then you’ve used Thor as an example, specifically of the pathetic POS he was in Love and Thunder.
Thor was successful because of the sheer charisma of Chris Hemsworth and the novelty of seeing Thor on the big screen. While after his first appearance in the original Thor film, his own movies have been of questionable quality, he’s always been an entertaining addition to the crossover movies (I’m putting Ragnarok in there too).
Brie Larson does not have the same amount of charisma (with all due respect to the actress who’s done other great stuff) to make Captain Marvel work as the next flagship Avenger. Plus at this point, the novelty of superheroes is thing of the past. Expecting her to lead the next generation of Avengers with both B/C list superheroes along with uninteresting writing is Marvel/Disney doing a great disservice to the actress.
We could have had great Thor sequels and we could have a great Captain Marvel who led the next generation of Avengers. Now we have neither, in my humble opinion this is why people are madder at Captain Marvel (as misdirected as this hate may be).
What does Brie Larson’s charisma (which could be argued either way but I won’t) have to do with the writing quality? Considering everyone blames the writing quality for her reception, as seen above. And people being tired of superheroes didn’t apply to Shang Chi or Loki, which came out AFTER Captain Marvel.
Whenever someone gives me an reason for their opinion that is provably untrue, but they don’t change their opinion, it makes me question what the actual reason is. And when I look at the bad (or even just okay) movies and look at which ones the “fanbase” is angry about, I can’t help but notice it skews towards hating the ones with female leads.
The good Marvel females are all related to the X-Men, so they aren’t around.
It’s ok, they’ve learnt their lesson and won’t be tuning in for further projects.
Haha - right.
They’ve (Disney/Marvel) found new audience and the old audience can be serviced elsewhere. Everyone wins 👌
Well, honestly you’re not wrong.
I felt like she-hulk could have been better. Maslany is so good, but the writing ended up being kind of bland. I guess I’d call it pretty good, too, but there’s a caveat. I also had no idea there was internet drama; that’s funny stuff.
They are extremely boring with little to no real threat and tedious fights where you know who’s going to win anyway
Character development? Probably the only actual thing that dies
With the first wave of movies I was really excited and enjoyed them immensely. Now the novelty has long since worn itself out. The cinematic universe plot is convoluted to a point of blandness. The multiple universe angle is stupid in comics and aggravating in cinema. The streaming series (across the board) instead of getting me interested in the movies has instead inoculated me against all of the Disney IP’'s.
Not exactly Marvel related, but I’m an adult now. Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?
Where are the movies dealing with mature themes and relatable plots?
They’re rare but are out there. I watched I Saw the TV Glow last weekend, really really nice film.
I will back this recommendation - it felt like I finally began to understand the trans struggle with this well made movie. Plays like a fever dream and hits like a truck.
The only hot take for these types of surveys is: i don’t hate them.
What ever the subject is doesn’t matter. When you ask a group for input on their “hot take” devolves into a forum to shit on whatever the topic may be.
So my hot take is: I enjoy some of the movies while others I do not.
Right answer.
Marvel movies are mostly dogshit. The Marvel multiverse is just an excuse for them to keep churning out dogshit movies indefinitely cause “LOL MULTIPLE UNIVERSES MAN, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE, NO NEED TO RETCON”
Yeah, it is kind of a plot hole cheat code, but I’d rather they come up with fun new ideas under that premise, than just keep doing the same thing, or half-assing retcons like soap operas do. (That was actually Steve’s evil twin the whole time, and THIS is the real Steve)
The actual hot take is that most of these movies are actually pretty good in the context of their correlation to source materials. As critically acclaimed movies: debatable; but as an adaptation? Unbelievably they tie a really neat rope around a hodge podge of different ideas and oddly make it work.
The truly hot take is that these movies serve there purpose well and do a great job being a vehicle for the story in the comics (sometimes)
The MCU has run out of steam after they got away from the A list heroes. It’s not that B- or C- list characters can’t do well, it’s just that it takes a talented writer/director to do it with a good movie, and Disney/Marvel just isn’t capable of getting that consistently on their own, they’re too safe & corporate. They’re just trying to recreate what made the original MCU run successful, but we’ve already seen that. I don’t know that there’s necessarily “superhero fatigue”, though trends in movies & pop culture come and go, that’s inevitable, but for me it’s more been “bad writing fatigue”, I’m just sick of their lazy ass shit writing, it’s insulting and I’m tired of being treated like that by the MCU.
The MCU did great with Guardians of the Galaxy, which were C tier at best.
I’m not sure how much credit Disney should get for that compared to James Gunn, considering they fired him and he was able to turn Suicide Squad into a hit as a result.
James Gunn did great with Guardians of the Galaxy. I’m not sure many others could’ve pulled it off as well.
When the MCU started I don’t think people considered Iron Man, Captain America, Thor as A list. They were just the properties they weren’t able to sell off yet. Doing these movies was a big gamble. They needed to succeed so they put their best effort into them and it paid off.
It’s always been garbage. Not this multiverse or after im3 or whatever. The movies have always been trash.
I feel the same way. I don’t mind anybody liking them, but I just don’t see the appeal. To me they’re so tremendously boring that I can’t stand watching them.
They kinda ruined it with the multiverse. Everything feels without consequence. Death is meaningless and there are no stakes now
I’m sure this is a hot take with how common I see the shit talking about multiverse being lazy.
The multiverse idea is dope.
It’s only the way they have been using it that sucks.
Into the Spider-Verse did it right. The comics have done it right. Cartoon series from the 80’s and 90’s did it right. The current MCU era is using it wrong.
Overall? Meh.
I don’t hate it, but they’re not great either.
I enjoyed the MCU up until Age of Ultron. The movies are almost all from the same mold, just with different names and look and that was true even before the first Avengers film. But it was new back then. The newness has worn off and it’s way past time the MCU evolves, or retires.
The exception are the Guardians of the Galaxy series. They are better made films that actually made me feel invested in the characters. The beginning of Guardians 3 is probably the best scene in the entire MCU.
Age of Ultron is where I started to check out too.
The last MCU movie I watched was Black Panther (the first). I enjoyed it well enough compared to the recent fair that I decided to go out on a high note.
Really? That awful CGI final act from black panther is so distractingly bad
By that point all the CGI was cringe AF, I can’t watch giant battle scenes without my minds eye seeing all the actors pantomiming on a massive green screen set. Really, one or two impressive practical effects and I might have stuck around longer.
At least BP had a couple new plot elements and wasn’t just the same movie with different beam colors. Not really new elements, but new for the MCU anyway.
Dude, it was just the lion king but worse. And tchalla character goes backwards, he was so cool in civil war (another overrated movie) but he’s punkd so hard in his own movie
For me, The Black Panther lost my interest when a super advanced, technologically-driven state decided that the best way to choose a ruler was to have two guys punch and kick each other.
I think the magic is gone - now the shows and movie lack the flair and excitement of the previous era. Now it feels like the we don’t need x, we have x at home meme.
Disney did what Disney does and killed it. They always take these big IPs and then stack so much bureaucracy around them that nothing ever gets done without getting approved by a committee that is approved by another committee which kills the artists original intent and messaging. They know that they can’t get experienced and talented artists to create their content anymore because they aren’t malleable enough so they either have to shove 10’s of millions down their throat or hire some wanker off the street. Then the wanker they hire off the street is always like “I don’t read the comics, lul XD!” And they right some shitty girlboss Mary Sue movie that no one likes then call all the fans racist, sexist, homophobes. Who was Agatha all along for? Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?
Some imaginary audience of post 40 wine aunts that also love marvel and pay for Disney+?
Who do you think writes half the stuff on AO3? This audience actually exists, and is fairly sizeable.
If it’s not for you, that’s fine. But a Marvel universe intended only for teenage boy nerds is pretty dull and repetitive; the MCU didn’t get that big by aiming solely for them.
And yeah, when you start gatekeeping, saying “those people don’t exist” and “you don’t belong here”, maybe it is time to take a look at your prejudices.
The AO3 fandom checked out around the time Steve ditched Bucky and Sam.
