• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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      3 months ago

      In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone. “You should have an easy way to kill someone on you at all times, and keep it hidden so they don’t know” is not self defense, but clear signs of a dystopia.

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        3 months ago

        Especially when it causes law enforcement to become so paranoid of the citizens they’re ostensibly meant to protect, that a mere hailstone landing on the car roof immediately causes them to believe they’re being fired upon.

        That just sounds like a terrible time for everyone involved.

        At that point, you’re basically turning the constabulary into soldiers.

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          3 months ago

          If citizens have a “Constitutional Right” to have a gun, why does exercising the right so often result in law enforcement killing them without a trial?

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        No, being limited in self defense to the power of your body is a pre-civilized state. Asking women to punch people to defend themselves is nature rules. That’s where whoever’s biggest gets to take advantage of people.

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          3 months ago

          I have no problems with people carrying mace for self defense. There are highly effective less lethal options.

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        In civilized countries “self defense” means you might have to punch someone.

        My back is fucked and have an 80% rating from the VA. I’m not getting into fist fights anymore.

        If someone gets blown away stealing shit, the world has become a better place, frankly.

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          3 months ago

          “Property is more valuable than human lives.”
          A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

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            “The strong should be allowed to do whatever they want to the weak” A statement from a person in a developed country apparently…

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                3 months ago

                And without one, the stronger will always prevail over the weak. I can’t believe I need to spell this out.

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                    3 months ago

                    Me.

                    And my wife, and daughter. People that, without the use of arms, will always be the weaker given it’s usually men who commit these crimes.

                    You’re missing the point - this tool takes physical strength out of the equation for self defense purposes and you’re acting like it’s a bad thing.

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                Uh, no. There are quite a lot of laws governing when deadly force is allowed which vary by country and state. I’m quite sure none of them allow it when someone “bothers you”.

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                  There’s also laws governing what constitutes theft. Your entire argument about needing a gun is dependent on people not following the law.

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                    3 months ago

                    Yeah the people stealing shit are… different people and not me?

                    What is your point?

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              You’re talking about things like it’s obvious they are just important as lives. Fucking disgusting

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                You’re expecting me to value people who steal shit.

                And before this goes in a disingenuous direction, no, I don’t mean stealing bread from a damn grocery store.

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                  People should be confined to boxes full of packing foam. This reduces the variable and permits police to control the situation more easily.