Right now we’re using lithium-ion. In maybe a decade we’ll move to lithium-sulphide, and in perhaps 25 years we might see lithium-oxygen.
Either way, lithium is all you’ll see in commercially viable batteries for the next 50 years because lithium as an anode is as good as it gets on the Table of Elements.
Yes, you’ll see 100 reports per year about new battery tech but none of them will ever be scalable, safe enough, or cheap enough.
I mean, this kinda only applies to devices that need the highest energy density.
For situations where space isn’t much of an issue, it can make more sense to use other forms of batteries that are cheaper per MWh. I agree Li-ion won’t be replaced in phones etc. but for some applications that are stationary, it can make commercial sense to use something else.
We’ll be moving bulk storage to molten sodium over the next 3 decades, lithium will be for high density applications, but they’re working on sodium-air designs because the density is even higher than lion.
Lithium is the most energy dense so most suitable for private transport but I think industrial and domestic storage won’t be dominated by lithium in a decade or 2
Were still going to need lithium batteries for longer ranges for quite awhile.
Sodium Ion/LFP can get up to 160wh/kg right now, which is fine for things like the standard range cars or commuter cars, but when you want the longer range vehicles they’re to big/heavy compared to the 250-300wh/kg of the lithium ion batteries using nickle.
I’m sure they’ll keep improving them, but so will the lithium ion ones. Maybe LFP/Sodium make it to 250, but nickle make it to 400-450.
Then you gotta consider weight differences and what not and the impact on efficiency so it’s not neccesarily end game if they reach the mid 200’s.
I’m super excited to see the continued improvements in these lower power density batteries though. They’re going to make the transition a lot easier as not everyone will want a longer range vehicle, and they’re more sustainable.
And of course, for storage where density doesn’t matter, they’re amazing.
Edit: Oh and once we get into the cost effective 400-450+ range, we can start transitioning flight as well, so we’ll still need it then as well.
Not a chance.
Right now we’re using lithium-ion. In maybe a decade we’ll move to lithium-sulphide, and in perhaps 25 years we might see lithium-oxygen.
Either way, lithium is all you’ll see in commercially viable batteries for the next 50 years because lithium as an anode is as good as it gets on the Table of Elements.
Yes, you’ll see 100 reports per year about new battery tech but none of them will ever be scalable, safe enough, or cheap enough.
I mean, this kinda only applies to devices that need the highest energy density.
For situations where space isn’t much of an issue, it can make more sense to use other forms of batteries that are cheaper per MWh. I agree Li-ion won’t be replaced in phones etc. but for some applications that are stationary, it can make commercial sense to use something else.
We’ll be moving bulk storage to molten sodium over the next 3 decades, lithium will be for high density applications, but they’re working on sodium-air designs because the density is even higher than lion.
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Lithium is the most energy dense so most suitable for private transport but I think industrial and domestic storage won’t be dominated by lithium in a decade or 2
CATL is beginning mass production of sodium-ion batteries this year.
Were still going to need lithium batteries for longer ranges for quite awhile.
Sodium Ion/LFP can get up to 160wh/kg right now, which is fine for things like the standard range cars or commuter cars, but when you want the longer range vehicles they’re to big/heavy compared to the 250-300wh/kg of the lithium ion batteries using nickle.
I’m sure they’ll keep improving them, but so will the lithium ion ones. Maybe LFP/Sodium make it to 250, but nickle make it to 400-450.
Then you gotta consider weight differences and what not and the impact on efficiency so it’s not neccesarily end game if they reach the mid 200’s.
I’m super excited to see the continued improvements in these lower power density batteries though. They’re going to make the transition a lot easier as not everyone will want a longer range vehicle, and they’re more sustainable.
And of course, for storage where density doesn’t matter, they’re amazing.
Edit: Oh and once we get into the cost effective 400-450+ range, we can start transitioning flight as well, so we’ll still need it then as well.