The father of the Apalachee High School shooting suspect has been arrested in connection with the shooting that left four people dead, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.
Reading about the family Holy shit what a bunch of fuckups.
Mom was crazy as fuck and dad was just as fucked up. This kid never had a chance. Hopefully, the sibling is removed from them because Gawd damn those some fucked up people.
I feel kind of bad for the mom. The woman was an industrial engineer and ended up losing her kids due to drug use? I feel like there’s a couple steps we’re missing there and I can’t imagine any of them are pretty.
Does that mean we’re out of the thoughtx and prayerx phase and we can talk about sensible gun control?
You must be new here.
This is America. Guns’ rights are above all others.
In this case, the sensible gun control would be “Your minor son got investigated by the FBI for wanting to shoot up a school, no you can’t buy a gun.”
But nobody got convicted so the investigation doesn’t count!
But nobody got convicted so the investigation doesn’t count!
The Due Process Clause will do that.
I appreciate your intent with this, but one of our fundamental rights is due process. Penalizing an individual for simply being investigated would violate that right.
I’m not sure I’m willing to participate in experimenting with a US government where due process is wishy washy. I remember how horny we got for suspending habeas corpus via the patriot act.
It’s going to be easier to make a legislative change like that than it is to make a constitutional change on guns.
But as it is, we already suspend gun rights without a conviction, maybe you haven’t seen the current ATF form 4473:
“21© Are you under indictment or information in any court for a felony, or any other crime for which the judge could imprison you for more than one year, or are you a current member of the military who has been charged with violation(s) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and whose charge(s) have been referred to a general court-martial?”
Change that to something like “Have you been investigated in the past 12 to 24 months…”
But I’d argue, if we want to get REALLY serious about shootings, each line on this form should read:
“Are you or anyone in your household…”
Being actively under indictment is a lot different than just being investigated. Indictment requires that sufficient evidence has been gathered, reviewed, and (for a federal case) at least 12 of 23 jurors in a grand jury believe there is at least a 50% chance that you have actually committed a crime (12/16 jurors at the state level).
By the time you have been indicted you have received a lot of due process resulting in a concrete belief that if you go to court you will be convicted of having committed a crime.
I’m not sure I’m willing to participate in experimenting with a US government where due process is wishy washy.
Lol welcome to the laboratory.
no prevent only punish
Mmm that’s a real neat idea but you see if we could somehow get more guns into society, we might finally hit the critical mass where the t’s and p’s become irrelevant because of all the freedom, you see
We haven’t passed the number of deaths that make Americans start to feel like the deaths aren’t acceptable and that we should make any minor sacrifice to prevent them. I don’t know what the number is, but it’s at least higher than 1 million over 2 years.
If one gunman killed around 3k people we’d be in the range of invade 2 countries territory but I doubt it bring of calls for domestic gun control.
Well that’s just war. That’s like, a Tuesday. It’s already policy to wage war whenever there’s an excuse. Not going to war — now that would be tough. Lowering avoidable deaths is the thing we have a problem with.
Ah, the Zapp Brannigan strategy.
Pasta person, here in amurikuh were a reactive people, not proactive.
The timeline the teen’s father provided to authorities would put the gun purchase months after authorities first contacted Gray and his family to investigate school shooting threats made online.
Dad sounds like a real idiot.
“Okay fine, but you have to pinky promise you won’t shoot up any schools like you told those people online.”
So the system successfully identified the kid as a threat, but was not able to prevent the shooting because the father bought the guy on behalf of the shooter.
How would you even prevent that? No way the 2a nuts would go for a temporary ban on firearm ownership (or at least new purchases) by family members. Besides something like that could be used maliciously very easily. You can’t take all the kids who post edgy shit online into custody, we just don’t have the budget and it’s probably not the right move anyway.
You could mandate therapy or some other mental health intervention, like a biweekly visit with the school’s counselor. But those nerds don’t need any qualifications so they might not be able to identify a credible threat or help talk a shooter out of their (likely unknown to the counsellor) plans.
There are a gajillion things we could try, if not for the blind ignorance of the 2a nuts.
Life in prison!
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Glad they started listening to me.
That comment was on the exact same article.
