U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the United States has ‘serious concerns’ about the announced result of Venezuela’s hotly contested presidential election that authorities say was won by incumbent Nicolas Maduro.

Speaking in Tokyo on Monday shortly after the announcement was made, Blinken said the U.S. was concerned that the result reflected neither the will nor the votes of the Venezuelan people. He called for election officials to publish the full results transparently and immediately and said the U.S. and the international community would respond accordingly.

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    ITT: people that think Maduro’s government isn’t a corrupt clown show.

    You guys do know the US state department isn’t always lying, right? If Maduro had such a strong mandate why would poll watchers get turned away?

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      Yes Maduro is a corrupt dictator but the only reason why the state department is saying that is because it goes against Us interest. He couldn’t give a damn about venezuelans people. If it was a pro west dictator he wouldn’t say that.

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        I think it’s more like if the US wants people to believe they didn’t try to rig elections in South America they should stop rigging elections and launching coups when that doesn’t work in South America.

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        It actively effects us when they get together in a caravan and cross our border because their county is corrupt all the way at the highest level.

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          Maybe if your country didn’t get involved into fucking up the democracy of that region for corporate interests, I would have some sympathy.

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            Yes, because we printed all the Bolivar they printed causing hyperinflation. What in the fuck are you talking about?

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              I think they’re referring to the countless South American counties that America has meddled with in the past.

              Cuba, Venezuela, Argentina, etc.

              Basically, you reap what you sow.

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                We didn’t meddle in Venezuela. Like what are you talking about. The guy thought he had enough oil to not need the u.s as a ally anymore. He cut us off from his country and tried allying with Iraq and Cuba. He failed though.

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                  He cut us off

                  Cut us off from their oil, then America cut trade ties, then they allied with our adversaries because America turned their back on them simply because they were mad they nationalized their oil.

                  The guy thought he had enough oil to not need the u.s as a ally

                  Yea, that’s the point: the US views oil access and strategic alliances as interrelated. If anything I think this is just an open admission that the US DGAF about ‘democracy’ but is really only interested in the willingness of oil states to deal in their oil supply.

                  Lol America is so fucking entitled

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                Let’s just looks at Venezuela.

                If we’re using Wikipedia as a source you might be interested in these parts

                Madsen alleging U.S. Navy involvement.[21] U.S. Senator Christopher Dodd, D-CT, requested an investigation of concerns that Washington appeared to condone the removal of Chávez,[22][23] which found that “U.S. officials acted appropriately and did nothing to encourage an April coup against Venezuela’s president” nor did they provide any naval logistical support.[24][25] CIA documents indicate that the Bush administration knew about a plot weeks before the April 2002 military coup. They cite a document dated 6 April 2002, which says: "dissident military factions…are stepping up efforts to organize a coup against President Chávez, possibly as early as this month.

                According to Michal Hertik, there is no benevolent relationship between the Chávez government and United States as a great power. Chávez is not interested in US foreign policy (actually President Bush’s beliefs) including “creating a unipolar or bipolar world, effort to create a powerful empire”. So he tried to break US imperialism and its interference in the affairs of foreign nation-states. Although he never tried to make South American countries agree with him.[17]

                Chávez initially accepted assistance from anyone who offered, with the United States sending helicopters and dozens of soldiers that arrived two days after the disaster. When defense minister Raúl Salazar complied with the offer of the United States’ further aid that included 450 Marines and naval engineers aboard the USS Tortuga which was setting sail to Venezuela, Chávez told Salazar to decline the offer since “[i]t was a matter of sovereignty”. Salazar became angry and assumed that Chávez’s opinion was influenced by talks with Fidel Castro, though he complied with Chávez’s order. Though additional aid was necessary, Chávez thought a more revolutionary image was more important and the USS Tortuga returned to its port.[19]

                They always hated us for no reason of our own. And wanted to take our spot as a super power. They failed.

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                  No. Trying to get rid of American influence and being independent without any US involvement is not trying to take a spot at being a super power. Get real.

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                  So he tried to break US imperialism and its interference in the affairs of foreign nation-states.

                  They always hated us for no reason of our own.

                  LMAO, yes, NO REASON AT ALL

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      You guys do know the US state department isn’t always lying, right?

      Only when their lips are moving.

      ITT: people that think Maduro’s government isn’t a corrupt clown show.

      It’s always funny to see folks in Western countries carefully triangulate between corrupt liberal parties, then express slack-jawed horror when foreign voters do the exact same math.

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        I’m more than fine with Venezuelan voters choosing their own government. I just don’t trust that this election was anything other than performative considering Maduro agreed to election monitoring and then walked back on it

        Edit:

        The government has arrested collaborators and closed businesses associated with her [Machado], from a hotel where she stayed during a campaign stop to women that sold empanadas to her from their homes. Her campaign manager has sheltered at an embassy in the capital, Caracas, for months.

        This sure screams free and clear election. I was pissed off when the DNC put their thumb on the scale of the primaries against Bernie; it’s logically consistent for me to be annoyed by this bullshit as well.

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      Welcome to Lemmy, where Murica Bad, and the less Murica it is, the more unequivocally good it is.

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        We are not living in a fantasy world where bad always fight good. It’s possible for two bad people,organization or country to fight each other. A country like the us who helped many coups and are supporting genocides can’t be good

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          You live in a world where good always fights bad. We always smoke the bad guys. Try us why don’t it.

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          Honestly, it’s an oversimplified view on reality. The US is incredibly good and incredibly bad. Just like most countries.

          The argument over which country is better is like arguing philosophy. The argument has merit in lifting up both sides. But to say America is bad is sophmoric at best. It comes across like a petulant child.

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        It actually is.

        I’m so sick of American imperialism and it’s unfettered capitalism.