Hungarian PM Viktor Orban sparked anger last week by accusing the EU of pursuing a "pro-war policy".

The European Union has stripped Hungary of the right to host the next meeting of foreign and defence ministers over its stance on the war in Ukraine.

It comes weeks after Hungary assumed the presidency of the Council of the European Union, a role in which it would normally host the event, and amid anger over a meeting Prime Minister Viktor Orban held with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow earlier this month.

The EU’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, said Hungary’s actions should have consequences and that “we have to send a signal, even if it is a symbolic signal”.

Hungary described the move as “completely childish”.

  • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    59·
    5 months ago

    Would do a much better job by throwing out the second biggest military (after the US) out of NATO. Or establish a precedent on throwing out countries you don’t like out of the EU, basically telling everyone “you can’t be a sovereign country because we can throw you out when we don’t like what you are doing”.

    Good job mr President

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      81·
      5 months ago

      You must know how strategically asinine it would be to boot Turkey from NATO, right? It would basically hand the Black Sea to Russia. Turkey would reclassify the Ukrainian war as an internal conflict or something like that, which would let Russia bring pretty much their whole navy into the Black Sea if they wanted to, which would have dire consequences for Ukraine.

      Also, this conversation is not about NATO. It’s about the EU.

      • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        32·
        5 months ago

        Read the posts again. They are saying “close off any talks with Turkey” meaning closing diplomacy. They are calling to boot out Hungary. Both shitty geopolitical moves that I am making fun of.

        • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          21·
          5 months ago

          Would do a much better job by throwing out the second biggest military (after the US) out of NATO

          This is the sentence I was specifically responding to.

          But I also disagree with your more general sentiment. If a leader/country establishes a behavioral pattern that consistently works against the interests of the group they’re in, the group in question is fully justified in kicking them out of said group - or at least, severely curtailing the bad actor’s influence in that group.

          • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            5 months ago

            The entire comment is sarcastic, hence the “good job mr president”. Of course all of the things that OP suggested and I then made fun of are stupid.

            As for the “group” - not how it works with nations and geopolitics. This isn’t a friend circle with a drunkie in it.

    • BeatTakeshi@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      5 months ago

      Wouldn’t being thrown out the equivalent of getting back their sovereignty according to populists? Not just looking at UK… Populists shout that EU takes their sovereignty away but that is just for electoral gain, there is a reason why so many new countries want IN, including Turkey. That’s also why Orban’s stance is a fucking bluff

      • Maalus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        5 months ago

        Yes, because the EU right now has a lot of unanimous decisions. It’s a gentleman’s agreement between independent countries. Once you make it “do what we say or I boot you” it stops being that.