- No server operator needs to federate with you.
- No server operator needs to tolerate things they don’t want on their instance.
- No user of an instance needs to personally curate their own extensive never ending blocklist of users and channels they don’t want to see.
Quit your pseudo-intellectual whining and choose what instance(s) work for you. If you think regularly interacting with shit content somehow helps you stay out of an echo chamber then go ahead and make a second account on those garbage instances full of hateful people. Then you can read both the decent servers and the trash ones and be the fedora wearing ackshually right fair and balanced uber nerd you always wanted to be.
Edit: The huge number of upvotes on this post compared to the low numbers on the whiney imposers’ posts is proof of exactly where this community places its priorities.
Whinging about whinging. The spirit of Reddit lives on.
We’re already at peak reddit replacement if we have whining in the comments about the contents of another post whining about users. I feel so at home here.
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“The Spirit of Reddit”
Nailed it.
That’s fucking hideous, thank you.
What the hell is up with the right thumb?
AI is going on.
What is that?
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According to some of the posts in here, apparently, wanting to ban Nazis from your instance and refusing to rebroadcast their toxic shit is being “entitled”…
This makes the Nazis sound like a bunch of Karen’s lol
I would definitely expect the Venn diagram of neo-nazis and Karens who give trouble to retail workers to look a lot like a circle.
Nothing wrong with feeling entitled to tell nazis to fuck off.
asks people to quit whining
whines
Anyway, I don’t really care about defederation enough to switch instances. But even if I did, you can’t deny that it’s annoying. When Lemmy introduces some nice way of migrating to other instances with userdata intact, then your rant will make sense. Without that, I don’t think it’s wrong if people complain.
Most people complaining have two weeks of user data…
I’d like to point out that most people on both sides of the defederation debate are like that. And this instance has been up for months with only LemmyGrad blocked
People want to have everything in one place and they bitch and whine when everything in one place ends up getting under control of people who are shitty.
Defederating is a needed part to maintain no party keeps too much control and ruins it for everyone. Remember why most of us left reddit for here? The ability for communities to defederate others will hopefully prevent the shit that happened.
Actually defederated as it works here means one party has way more power than in centralized Reddit.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/511746
It ruins it for anyone who is not deeply in agreement with the admins.
It’s admins and groupthink over users. And zero stability or discoverability. Friction with little to gain unless you’re in authoritarian lockstep
I knew nothing about inter-Lemmy-instance-politics when I made my account. I simply made it on a server that was actually not SO overwhelmed that it couldn’t make new accounts. I would imagine the same is true of many new users of late.
My Lemmy exerience: We’re (heavily) advertised to on Reddit during the pre-blackout mess that we should try Lemmy. I go to try Lemmy. Server is broken. Server is broken. Server is not allowing new users. Server is not allowing new users. Ah! This one actually functions, so I can try Lemmy! Start following and posting, and finding nice communities. Then start finding out that some of these only federate in one direction, so I’m posting to people on another instance who can’t see it, because of Lemmy admin bickering and politics. Great, now I need to start over with a new account again, just when I was feeling settled in? Leaves a bad taste, and I was lucky enough to not end up on one of the MOST hated instances.
I hate politics. You can’t escape them anywhere involving humans.
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This isn’t a corporation advertising to get your business it’s a collective movement of people working to create a better internet, I totally understand you not liking politics but the reality of this world is that politics is important - the people runnning instances are generally doing it with their own time and money simply because they believe in the importance of the project, of course these are going to be people with strong principles.
Personally I think having a complex ecosystem is going to be a great thing when it’s had time to emerge and settle but yeah for now it’s all a bit new and up in the air but that’s part of the fun
But we need guidance for users to choose an instance before they create an account. Right now, people come in blind, into a minefield of politics. It is very frustrating to walk into that mess and then get reprimanded if you mention it. There is no warning for new users.
I wonder if people would be interested in a “lurker” instance that disables comments/posts/etc. entirely. A “read-only” instance for the people who really hate the idea of being defederated, lol.
That’s fucking brilliant, I’m going to try to make one
Isn’t this a case of take your own advice?
Many instances have already defederated lots of stuff. If you feel strongly about that shouldn’t you migrate there over asking other instances to do the same thing? Seems like if he wanted to he would have here by now.
All just feel like fediverse problems and IMO the action should be take ~2 weeks off line and then evaluate there all the shit lands and decide. In thedude’s shoes, I would have already pulled the plug on this as way to much hassle to get into the middle of. Props to him for not.
Completely agree, this whole entitled attitude about “we left reddit because censoreship hurr durr, now u do same thing, you have to do what we tell you” is really annoying…
Nobody is censoring you, you are free to join and visit whatever instances you want and watch their content… You can even host your own instance where you federate with whoever you want, you have free access to the code… But nobody is forced to host ANY content they don’t want on the server THEY themselves pay for…
we left reddit because censoreship hurr durr
The people leaving Reddit because of censorship did so long ago. These dissatisfied/censored people have a new home anyway… They can view child porn, people being brutally tortured/murdered, and make all the threats of violence they want on Twitter now. They just have to be careful not to insult the, “free speech absolutist” dictator or he’ll have them banned.
The mass migration today is because of dissatisfaction with Reddit’s decision to end 3rd party apps and specifically, the way in which they handled it. The dishonesty, the heavy-handed dictator-like seizure of protesting communities, the complete disregard for accessibility/moderation tools, etc.
To claim that people are leaving Reddit “because of censorship” isn’t just missing the point, it’s flat out wrong.
They went to the cesspit voat and that went under like a turd. I wonder where they all went after that, probably back to Reddit or Discord.
You feelin’ alright, man? Maybe get something to eat.
big “I am very badass” vibes
The instance that works for me, sadly, is the instance that works on Jerboa and hasn’t defederated with any other instances.
Which one is that?
“Quit your Whining” then proceeds to whine.
It’s a paradox. If people around you are whining, you are somehow banned from speaking up and saying “stop”, as that is also whining. Truly, no one can crack this nut
“Quit your Whining” then proceeds to whine.
Ackshually it was “quit the pseudointellectual whining” 😁
Reminder that defederation is an explicit feature implemented into fediverse platforms. It is meant to be used as the instance sees fit. The notion that you can never defederate with anyone defeats the purpose of the fediverse, we might as well make one huge centralized platform in that case.
No other instance owes you a federation to your instance. The fediverse’s whole philosophy is that instances get to configure both who they federate with and who federates with them.
Finally, there is a certain irony in the people screaming “freedom” and “free speech” telling admins of private instances what they can and can’t do with their own platform.
The people screaming about free speech for bigots & fascists seem to neglect the free speech of the instance owners and admins.
They’re doing this out of the kindness of their hearts. Paying for bandwidth and servers. Donating their time to create the software, work out the kinks, and moderate the communities so we don’t strangle each other.
From their perspective: Would you want to use your money and time to rebroadcast Nazism or similarly toxic ideology? Because that’s what they’re being asked, and most of them say “HELL NO!” When the chuds are demanding that these people rebroadcast such crap, it’s like they’re asking these admins to do a Hitler salute with them.
This is their space. They have free speech rights too. That’s what curation is, free speech. You send a message by the choice of messages you rebroadcast or refuse to rebroadcast.
The people screaming about free speech for bigots & fascists seem to neglect the free speech of the instance owners and admins.
This is a pretty farcical argument, because the instance admins set things up specifically so that the instance users can discuss and vote on what the instance does.
That can be used by any authoritarian claiming to be the greatest good.
It’s great to bully and censor but inevitably ends in subjugation.
That’s the types that want this end up in very small circles or simply agreeing with whatever authority sells.
It’s like the old saying goes… if a Nazi sits at a table and no one gets up, you have a table full of Nazis.
If you have a community full of Nazis then you have an instance full of Nazis.
What do you consider a nazi?
Everyone right of mao
Yeah except it’s more like a room full of thousands of normal people and you saw two Nazis playing with each others’ dicks in the back so you started calling the room a room full of Nazis.
Two Nazis is two too many.
“interacting with shit content” but I want to see the most controversial instance. I want to see some wild shit. I’m curious of what the bad boys have to say.
Just make an account there then?
