Motherfuckers all.
But do yourself a favor and read up on the Polish Resistance. Those were some seriously metal sons of bitches.
And for those of you who don’t like reading history: Imagine watching 50-100 of your friends getting summarily executed every day, and it doesn’t make you afraid to stop killing Nazis. It makes you even more emboldened, and that’s exactly what you do. You exist to make them afraid to walk the streets.
Poles, historically, are seriously badass and do not deserve 1/10th of the jokes made about them
I wish our schools did a better job teaching about resistance movements. Here in the US most people don’t know about the Battle of Blair Mountain, for example, even though it was the largest armed resistance action here since the US Civil War.
But if you know what the BoBM is, you know why it isn’t taught, for the same reason churches don’t teach what the Bible says about usury.
Sabaton - Winged Hussars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxlRJsQ7p2k
Since were sharing sabaton🙃
Inmate 4859 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pc1oSYXlUQ (goes hard)
so how did the ussr go from this to marching into germany at the end and helping defeat the nazis? genuine question. was it just a case of “ok you’re getting a little too close or comfort” or something else?
Essentially, the Nazis and Soviets were allies of convenience. They both had a mutual interest in destroying the sovereignty and nationhood of all of Eastern Europe, but once that was out of the way, it was an issue of “Both sides want full control over the area, and neither side has acceptable goals to the other”.
The Nazis eventually struck first in Operation Barbarossa; the Soviets didn’t expect the Nazis to be ready to invade them for a few more years, so they were caught off guard, which is where a lot of the “NAZIS GREAT SOLDIERS 1 MILLION SOVIETS = 1 NAZI UBERMENSCH” bullshit comes from. The Soviets were scattered and disorganized, and had to hastily reconstruct a lot of their military doctrine around the fact that the Nazis had just occupied a big chunk of the Soviet Union’s industrial equipment and population.
After a few months of chaos, the Nazis discovered that sucker-punching a powerhouse doesn’t make you a champion boxer, and spent the next three years getting slowly brutalized into oblivion by the Soviet Army and the Nazis’ own dumbass idea to invade.
I would assume the plan of the Soviet Union was to invade Nazi Germany as well, just after they had organized? Or was it just foolish trying to invade the SU at any stage, with the better plan was to hope the two blocks would just somehow get along.
Nazi Germany was always planning on invading the Soviets EVENTUALLY, and both sides were aware of that - the Soviets just thought the Nazi timetable was a bit later. As for the Soviets, Stalin exercised such total control over the Soviet government apparatus and was furtive about his plans even in the best of times, so it’s hard to know what they were planning in the long-term - if anything - other than asserting their continued interest in dominating Eastern Europe.
The Soviets were scattered and disorganized
It is not a good idea to sign a pact with the devil when you’re not organized. I mean, it’s never a good idea, but it’s an exceptionally bad idea when you don’t have your house in order.
In their defense, the disorganization was because they were retooling their army for war. They had plans for mass-distribution of semi-auto rifles and widespread motorization and were reorganizing their entire chain of command. The thinking was that Nazi Germany was busy with Britain, and wouldn’t be stupid enough to fight a war on two fronts against the foremost powers of the world.
They underestimated Nazi stupidity.
Reorganizing their entire chain of command because Stalin murdered half the leadership in a paranoid rage over fears that they might have been loyal to
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The guy who built the Red Army and won the Revolution. Whom Stalin had assassinated. Immediately following the decade when fascism was sweeping through European parliaments and Hitler was straight up telling the world he considered the eradication of Jewish people and Bolshevism his greatest goals.
I think to an extent part of the reason they were disorganised was as a result of the invasion of Poland though, they suffered disproportionate manpower and equipment losses compared to the Germans
They were disorganized because Stalin had just murdered the entire command structure of the military.
Ah that’ll do it
The only reason endrd up losing to the Soviets was because he went back on his own original war plan. He didn’t want to fight a war on two fronts. The idea was to knock out France, which he did, then defeat the UK, which he didn’t do. He expected the UK to sue for negotiations but they ended up resisting him for far longer than he expected. Since the US was supplying the UK and keeping them afloat, Hitler was cautious. He wanted to avoid a war with the US, so he turned his attention elsewhere, which was invading the Soviet Union, while not securing the Western front.
Despite this, Hitler still managed to reach the outskirts of Moscow and he was close to winning, but he got cocky and impatient by ordering his armies to march through the winter and unwisely split a few of his armies at the wrong times. He also made his biggest mistake by declaring war on the US when the US declared war on Japan after they attacked Pearl Harbor… Even though didn’t have to. After trying to previously avoid war with US, he went and did it for no good reason. This brought second wind to the allies as Americans weapons starting pouring into the UK and the Soviet Union as well as American troops pouring into the Western front. This forced Hitler to divide his attention and resources which gave the Soviets valuable time and opportunities to recover and strike back.
Too bad the Soviets ended up occupying Eastern Europe much like the nazis but under new management rather actually liberating them.
Hitler was never even close to winning. The fact is, the war plan was screwed from the moment the Sovs decided they were going to fight back after the surprise attack, despite Stalin’s initial breakdown. One of the first things the Sovs did after Operation Barbarossa began, after all, was to begin moving industrial equipment east. They were preparing for the long haul - while Germany exhausted itself considerably in the opening stages of the invasion. Once the initial surprise of the attack was over, the sheer material calculus was just not in their favor - casualty ratios and equipment loss were about equal, but the Sovs had something like 3 times the population and had the same proportional advantage in vehicle production. Taking Moscow just would not have made enough of a difference.
As for the UK, they were receiving lend-lease BEFORE the invasion of the Soviet Union.
Dude the Wehrmacht reached a town called Krasnaya Polyana which is 18 miles away from the center of Moscow. If they took over Moscow, which was a very real possibility then the Soviet Union would’ve fallen like France, or at the very least the European portion of it would. I would assume the oppressed minorities within the empire would used them opportunity to get independence. What the Soviet Union pulled is nothing short of miraculous. People don’t realize just how close Hitler was to taking down the Soviet Union.
As for the UK, they were receiving lend-lease BEFORE the invasion of the Soviet Union.
I didn’t imply that they weren’t?
Dude the Wehrmacht reached a town called Krasnaya Polyana which is 18 miles away from the center of Moscow. If they took over Moscow, which was a very real possibility then the Soviet Union would’ve fallen like France, or at the very least the European portion of it would.
That’s not how capitals work. France itself only nominally fell because it appointed an ultraconservative collaborator (Petain) to the highest position of government.
I would assume the oppressed minorities within the empire would used them opportunity to get independence.
Most of the oppressed minorities were in Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe, and very quickly found out that the Nazis were no liberators. Most of the remaining Soviet population was Russian, not ethnic minorities. A few of the central Asian SSRs were around, but their governments weren’t oppressed, but participants in the oppression - why would they rise up?
I didn’t imply that they weren’t?
After trying to previously avoid war with US, he went and did it for no good reason. This brought second wind to the allies as Americans weapons starting pouring into the UK and the Soviet Union
That’s not how capitals work. France itself only nominally fell because it appointed an ultraconservative collaborator (Petain) to the highest position of government.
Lol what? If you conquer a country’s capital, that country falls unless its government moves elsewhere and establishes a foothold which doesn’t happen often. When the Germans conquered Paris, the French government basically collapsed and from the Germans were able to take control and establish puppet governments.
Most of the oppressed minorities were in Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe, and very quickly found out that the Nazis were no liberators. Most of the remaining Soviet population was Russian, not ethnic minorities.
Nobody thought that the Nazis were liberators. Everybody knew Hitler wanted to expand Germany and turn it into an empire. However, the Soviets were thought of as liberators by non Soviet Eastern European nations, and they quickly learned after the war that weren’t exactly free, just under new management.
A few of the central Asian SSRs were around, but their governments weren’t oppressed, but participants in the oppression - why would they rise up?
Those governments were Russian puppets. Russia was always a multi ethnic empire that favored Russians and oppressed the rest. There’s a reason why Stalin went through his “deportation” (read: genocide) plans. They weren’t good.
This brought second wind to the allies as Americans weapons starting pouring into the UK and the Soviet Union
I think it’s pretty clear given the context that I meant the rate of shipments accelerated
Lol what? If you conquer a country’s capital, that country falls unless its government moves elsewhere and establishes a foothold which doesn’t happen often. When the Germans conquered Paris, the French government basically collapsed and from the Germans were able to take control and establish puppet governments.
Yeah, like when DC fell in the War of 1812, or when Moscow fell in Napoleon’s invasion, or when the Japanese took Nanking during the Second Sino-Japanese War, or-
Nobody thought that the Nazis were liberators.
See, this is the insane thing - many DID think of the Nazis as liberators. Numerous national independence movements were suddenly excited to collaborate after the start of Operation Barbarossa, for about all of three or four months, at which point it became apparent that the Nazis were even worse than the Soviets.
Those governments were Russian puppets. Russia was always a multi ethnic empire that favored Russians and oppressed the rest. There’s a reason why Stalin went through his “deportation” (read: genocide) plans. They weren’t good.
I’m not arguing that the Sovs were good. Far from it. My point is that there weren’t well-formed independence movements waiting in the wings to take power should the Soviet government falter - all power was tied up in the Party and its bureaucracy, and the only organized institutions capable of taking action would have been Soviet puppets who were ‘all-in’ on the Soviets by a mixture of clientism and purges. If Moscow fell, the idea that the Central Asian SSRs would suddenly turn, or lose their grip, just… doesn’t strike me as realistic.
I think it’s pretty clear given the context that I meant the rate of shipments accelerated
I wouldn’t say ‘pretty clear’, but if I misread it, I misread it.
The Russians suck at war. They lost to the French, then the Germans and now the Ukrainians. They should really read a book.
Yeah, Stalingrad was pretty close for comfort lol. It was an alliance of convenience and then Hitler invaded and continued to genocide across the USSR planning to completely wipe them out and resettle their land.
The Soviet officer is Semyon Krivoshein, he’s Jewish and not celebrating for multiple reasons. The Nazis occupied Brest when they weren’t supposed to, Krivoshein got there and started negotiating to try to get them to leave. The Nazis were making a propaganda film out of this (which is where the picture comes from) so they wanted the Soviet army to have a parade with them. After an argument Krivoshein agreed that just him and some of his staff would stand there and watch the Nazis parade out of town in exchange for the Nazis leaving Polish prisoners they took in Brest.
Brest was 50% Jewish at this point, in Operation Barbarossa the Soviets defended for 6 days, Jewish Soviet officers were summarily shot by the Nazis, almost the entire Jewish population of Brest died in the Holocaust.
It really wasn’t a good time to be Jewish then. The muslim world wanted you dead, the nazis wanted you dead, the Soviets hated you, and the US and UK greatly disliked you. There was no place where Jews were actually safe and protected until after WWII.
Krivoshein was born into the well-to-do family of a Jewish artisan shop owner and in 1917 graduated from a gymnasium, a Russian secondary school for the educated elite. In 1918 he enlisted in the Red Army to fight against the Whites in the Russian Civil War, seeing service in the 1st Cavalry Army of Semyon Budyonny.
Krivoshein continued to command his corps until 1946 when he was appointed Head of Department at the M. V. Frunze Military Academy. In 1950 he moved to Odessa to command the mechanized and tank forces of the small Odessa Military District. In 1951 the Ministry of Defense selected him as a candidate for the Soviet Army higher command and sent him to study in the Higher Military Academy of the General Staff. Krivoshein graduated in 1952. The death of Stalin in March 1953 brought an end to Krivoshein’s military career: as the new leadership began to reduce the huge Soviet army and, on May 4, 1953 the Soviet Ministry of Defense retired him after 35 years of service. He spent the last quarter century of his life writing four books of his war memoirs.
Unfortunately, this man was an exception, not the rule.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union
Within USSR crimes against jews don’t even break top 20 if we are going to do this victim Olympics bullshit tho…
In fact many crimes were executed by the Jewish party members against others.
Example:
Yeah… No, you’re not gonna wash away what happened to the Jews in the Soviet Union, especially under Stalin. There’s a reason why so many of them ended fleeing to Israel. It’s literally in the article I linked, the Soviet Union had a bad history. It’s not as bad as the nazis, but then again, who is? Maybe a few islamic empires, but I digress. Antisemitism in the Soviet was pretty extreme, systematic, and has lasting effects.
Tankies in shambles
Why would tankies be in shambles? They love genocide and helping fascists. This is basically a motivational poster for them.
You are being disingenuous lol
You know they hate this picture and get bent out of shape over this historical fact.
Westoid tankie has to ignore many historical facts in order to make his or her “idealogy” work “logically”
You are being disingenuous lol
More like smarmy, but yes, not literal.
Reminder that Stalin was stupid enough to believe that Hitler was NOT stupid enough to renege on their little NAP over Poland. When Barbarossa rolled in, Stalin initially forbade his troops from fighting back because he thought it was a false flag ops by the Western Allies.
Conservatism has always been a plague of death. It is long overdue for a cure.
Not sure how that picture prompted this comment…
It is a photo of conservatives.
Both the Marxists in the Soviet Union and the Nazis in Germany tore down their countries and rebuild them in accordance to their tyrannical ideologies. It’s a stretch to call regimes that brought radical change conservative when they clearly not for preserving anything from the previous regimes.
In both cases, they co-opted popular left-leaning movements to engage conservative voting bases. They combined these popular movements with nationalist conservative ideologies to garner wide appeal amongst conservatives.
After winning, they then used their momentum to tear down institutional checks and balances to make sure they would hold power indefinitely, even if their support started to wane. Conservative support, in both cases, remained strong for many years, resulting in the deaths of millions of innocent non-conservatives.
Wtf are you even talking about?
There can’t really be a cure though, what’s “conservative” is just whatever is on the right wing of a country’s politics at any point in time.
Not quite, IMHO, seeking the imaginary ideal of yesteryear is what conservatism is, everything new is bad. The right wing of any political system is regressive and also looks back to this same imaginary ideal.
The right wing of any political system is regressive
Yes, I completely agree. That’s what I’m saying. I don’t see how you can fix that other than universally disallowing the right wing of politics any influence over decision making, in which case the left will likely fracture in between its most left wing elements and it’s most centre-left elements and the process starts again.
So unless you want endless purging of whatever happens to be on the right wing of your political spectrum, I don’t see what the cure to Conservatism or the right wing is.
Prosperity and education would be a start. Also media literacy. Or literacy in general.
From left to right:
Mauritz von Wiktorin, Heinz Guderian and Semyon Krivoshein.
So, a bag of complete goose-stepping morons, as directed by a couple of servient, underling-fascists, are RIGHT on their way…!
Well then-- HURRAY!, is it not…?
The soviets had no sense of fashion at all smh…
On a serious note, you’d think Belarus nowadays would be less keen on supporting Russia given their history.
You ask for an independent opinion from a country that mass protested the last bullshit elections before potato dictator with a joint support from russian siloviki beat, tortured, imprisoned and\or dissappeared thousands of people. Luka is behind the wheel, and he is playing his own game balancing between a neutral sovereign country and a region of russia, whatever fits him best at the moment. He’s not asking what his* people want.
* ‘His’ is a weird word to put there, but I’d let it stay.
Fuck russia. Russia as a geopolitical entity must be destroyed. It’s them or us.
Oligarchy vs the rest of us. It’s happening right where you live too darling.
So, we shouldn’t fight against it? Fuck off.
Interesting interpretation.
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