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If the left dumped the DNC and made them unable to reliably win elections in 2000, we wouldn’t be here right now. Arguing that we can never start the hard but necessary process of making the DNC go the way of the Whigs is like arguing that climate change is too hard to deal with. It’s not going to actually ever get any easier and the longer we wait the harder it will be.
These accelerationists in this thread are the dumbest people on the left who don’t care about the oppressed sympathetic to their views and are directly in harms’ way if things get worse, because they want to gamble on a violent revolution that will nebulously make things better w/o any plan.
Voting blue no matter who is what got us here, with a DNC that runs bad candidates picked in woke filled rooms behind the scenes, and doesn’t allow real primaries to pick the strongest candidate. A great example of this is Henry Cuellar, a pro-life conservative who Nancy Pelosi moved heaven and earth for in the primary, literally lying to the dems in that district, saying she knew the FBI had dropped the investigation. Now we’ll just lose that seat because the DNC would rather it go red than be occupied by a progressive. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. The DNC isn’t in fighting shape and the longer they’re propped up, the worse they’ll do against the GOP every cycle, which only emboldens the GOP to do crazy shit because the opposition party isn’t a threat to them no matter what they do.
The DNC isn’t in fighting shape and the longer they’re propped up, the worse they’ll do against the GOP every cycle, which only emboldens the GOP to do crazy shit because the opposition party isn’t a threat to them no matter what they do.
So again, it sounds like your concern is the GOP being emboldened to do crazier shit. So the solution is to hand them the presidency and the freedom to do all the crazy shit they want.
The DNC is only going to become more prone to losing the longer they’re propped up by an electorate that doesn’t force them to improve. Maybe you can drag Biden over the line this time (you can’t imo, the GOP has a structural advantage vs polls and Biden is just dead in the water in polls) but that only rewards the complacency that has led to them being this bad at elections. The GOP stepped in Brexit-level shit when they got Roe v Wade overturned, the fact that the DNC is doing as poorly as it is proves out what polling has shown, the DNC brand itself is deeply toxic in many states. We’ll just be here in 2028 with you saying “We need to hold our nose and just vote for Kamala, even though Biden just nuked Laos because Netanyahu asked him to.” Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be about to be term limited out and the blowback from Dobbs, his inflationary monetary policy, and Gaza would have fallen in his lap, putting the GOP in a worse position this cycle than they currently are. But they aren’t, because you voted blue no matter who. Now he’s going to come back, bigger and angrier than ever, and we didn’t even hold a primary to try to find someone who can beat him.
Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be about to be term limited out and the blowback from Dobbs, his inflationary monetary policy, and Gaza would have fallen in his lap, putting the GOP in a worse position this cycle than they currently are.
Cool fanfic.
Now he’s going to come back, bigger and angrier than ever
Only if you guys get your way.
Kinda wild how the narrative you guys prop up has moved from “both sides are the same” to “actually if Trump had won in 2020 that would have been better”
Both sides aren’t the same. The DNC is run by PR executives who don’t care about winning or losing as long as they make a percentage on the ad spend for the election. The GOP, meanwhile, is run by corrupt politicians who need to win in order to quid for a later quo of a do nothing million dollar a year job for a megacorporation. Perhaps it would be most fruitful to reflect on how you try to “persuade” voters and examine if that contributes to the toxicity of the DNC brand and the likelihood of voters unhappy with their performance turning out.
You keep talking like the only options are to hand the election to Trump and have the fight under that political landscape, or vote against Trump then suddenly not have that fight at all.
That’s simply not how it works.
You can muse about these things all day, but like I said, one of 2 outcomes is possible this November.
If you’re going to have this fight, one of those outcomes will make it significantly harder to have.
I’m just commenting that I appreciate you being the one to actually discuss points in this thread. I agree with the other guy, but I’m praising efforts here.
And naturally, with non-peaceful protest being the only form of organization, since both potential administrations will treat that issue equally, the logical option is to hand it to the one who will also do plenty more terrible things on top of it.
The logical option is a vote of no confidence. But we don’t have that in the US. We have Kings for 4 years so we have to respond to them the way people have historically.
Come November, either Trump or Biden will be elected into office, whether you like it or not.
If your goal is to organize, one of those outcomes will make that harder to do than the other.
If the left dumped the DNC and made them unable to reliably win elections in 2000, we wouldn’t be here right now. Arguing that we can never start the hard but necessary process of making the DNC go the way of the Whigs is like arguing that climate change is too hard to deal with. It’s not going to actually ever get any easier and the longer we wait the harder it will be.
So you’re concerned about it getting harder, but advocating for actions that increase the likelihood of it getting much harder, much more quickly.
Make it make sense.
These accelerationists in this thread are the dumbest people on the left who don’t care about the oppressed sympathetic to their views and are directly in harms’ way if things get worse, because they want to gamble on a violent revolution that will nebulously make things better w/o any plan.
The stupidity is almost humorous.
Voting blue no matter who is what got us here, with a DNC that runs bad candidates picked in woke filled rooms behind the scenes, and doesn’t allow real primaries to pick the strongest candidate. A great example of this is Henry Cuellar, a pro-life conservative who Nancy Pelosi moved heaven and earth for in the primary, literally lying to the dems in that district, saying she knew the FBI had dropped the investigation. Now we’ll just lose that seat because the DNC would rather it go red than be occupied by a progressive. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. The DNC isn’t in fighting shape and the longer they’re propped up, the worse they’ll do against the GOP every cycle, which only emboldens the GOP to do crazy shit because the opposition party isn’t a threat to them no matter what they do.
So again, it sounds like your concern is the GOP being emboldened to do crazier shit. So the solution is to hand them the presidency and the freedom to do all the crazy shit they want.
Make it make sense.
The DNC is only going to become more prone to losing the longer they’re propped up by an electorate that doesn’t force them to improve. Maybe you can drag Biden over the line this time (you can’t imo, the GOP has a structural advantage vs polls and Biden is just dead in the water in polls) but that only rewards the complacency that has led to them being this bad at elections. The GOP stepped in Brexit-level shit when they got Roe v Wade overturned, the fact that the DNC is doing as poorly as it is proves out what polling has shown, the DNC brand itself is deeply toxic in many states. We’ll just be here in 2028 with you saying “We need to hold our nose and just vote for Kamala, even though Biden just nuked Laos because Netanyahu asked him to.” Had Trump won in 2020, he’d be about to be term limited out and the blowback from Dobbs, his inflationary monetary policy, and Gaza would have fallen in his lap, putting the GOP in a worse position this cycle than they currently are. But they aren’t, because you voted blue no matter who. Now he’s going to come back, bigger and angrier than ever, and we didn’t even hold a primary to try to find someone who can beat him.
Cool fanfic.
Only if you guys get your way.
Kinda wild how the narrative you guys prop up has moved from “both sides are the same” to “actually if Trump had won in 2020 that would have been better”
The mask is really coming off.
Both sides aren’t the same. The DNC is run by PR executives who don’t care about winning or losing as long as they make a percentage on the ad spend for the election. The GOP, meanwhile, is run by corrupt politicians who need to win in order to quid for a later quo of a do nothing million dollar a year job for a megacorporation. Perhaps it would be most fruitful to reflect on how you try to “persuade” voters and examine if that contributes to the toxicity of the DNC brand and the likelihood of voters unhappy with their performance turning out.
You keep talking like the only options are to hand the election to Trump and have the fight under that political landscape, or vote against Trump then suddenly not have that fight at all.
That’s simply not how it works.
You can muse about these things all day, but like I said, one of 2 outcomes is possible this November.
If you’re going to have this fight, one of those outcomes will make it significantly harder to have.
I’m just commenting that I appreciate you being the one to actually discuss points in this thread. I agree with the other guy, but I’m praising efforts here.
Really? Are we watching the same news? The Democrats are pulling the same exact bullshit trump did with protestors.
Which is, of course, the one and only metric to measure.
You specifically mentioned organizing. So I specifically responded.
Pro-Palestine protests, of course, being the only form of organization.
It doesn’t take more than once to show an intolerance. They only let protestors they agree with organize peacefully.
And naturally, with non-peaceful protest being the only form of organization, since both potential administrations will treat that issue equally, the logical option is to hand it to the one who will also do plenty more terrible things on top of it.
The logical option is a vote of no confidence. But we don’t have that in the US. We have Kings for 4 years so we have to respond to them the way people have historically.
If we’re subbing in things to replace reality, you can do a lot better than that.
Doesn’t really address the issue at hand, though.
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Oh no! Now the enlightened centrists are calling me Russian! Get in line behind the 2A guys calling me communist.