Even better, now, when a kid shoots up a school, you can have all the teachers running around with loaded firearms trying to find the shooter! Surely this will end well.
Ah yeah. Teachers. The kind of dunce who just leaves a gun laying around is who’s teaching our kids. There just totally won’t be any precautions like lockboxes. We’re only gonna do the bare minimum we can to get guns into school, right? You really just think we’re gonna follow the most extremely stupid path so your “guns r bad” rhetoric makes sense. FFS, have some respect for what you’re arguing against.
Imagine you get into a videogame vs some other players and your only strategy is to assume your opponents are stupid and incapable so you can just waltz over them. Now what makes you so much more special than them? That’s the level of your argument right now. Just cripple your own position out the gate for making no attempt to understand what you’re up against.
But you seem to want to extrapolate more from my short comment.
I’m not anti gun at all. Might even have a few.
However, having attended a rural public school I know many of my former teachers are a lot like my neighbors. Dumb, irresponsible bullies. Not all of them, but it’s not an uncommon deal.
In the end, it’s not that I think most people are dumb, just that people are people and we are our own weakest link. We’re the least reliable part of a system.
And yeah, we often implement things in the most pants shittingly stupid way possible. Especially when it’s something born or of a culture built and nurtured as a political tool.
Really, FFS, have some respect for what you’re arguing against.
They fucking WHAT. Jesus Christ, we need robo cops, except that’s it’s own problem and we aren’t there yet. How can we address armed people who suck without armed people who don’t suck? I recall that cops generally get very miniscule training, so maybe we can start there. Training and weeding out stupid people would likely help.
Appreciate the cooler response, despite that we started by snipping at each other.
I can’t say I have the answers, but I figure it’s a start, along with greater oversight and accountability. Doing better with general education helps build more people with common sense. Better mental healthcare. Better emotional education. Gun laws that are actually common sense about restrictions without being sweeping and mindless. A more common sense gun culture.
Injecting more guns just feels like a simple answer to a complex question that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. That just creates more unpredictable factors, which isn’t something you ever want when you’re trying to secure a situation.
We’re so culturally and infrastructurally damaged that we can barely implement any solutions. I don’t know what fixes that.
Ahhh yeah. I’m trying to be right, not force an angle. If I catch a new consideration that changes things, I gotta accept it. I’m a scientist.
I don’t want to arbitrarily inject guns. I’ve just determined that opposing them without your own is futile. I’m the brains vs brawn situation, it’s smart to be strong.
The whole name of the game is making sure your own guns aren’t causing extra harm. Gotta work backwards from there to figure out how to stop threats.
We could hypothetically have spaceship style chamber sealing tricks where we isolate a shooter and knock them out with some gas. It would be expensive to implement but gunless and relatively safe. Also difficult to exploit.
You really just think we’re gonna follow the most extremely stupid path so your “guns r bad” rhetoric makes sense. FFS, have some respect for what you’re arguing against.
I mean, we are talking about arming the teaching staff with firearms, rather than having a trained guard who signed up for the task, or addressing the root problems. You’re asking them to either shoot their own students, or other students at the same school. This is not an expected outcome for someone who wants to go into education or stay there because they care for the kids, nor is it starting from a sane position to begin with.
Its a school, not a military barracks in a war zone.
Hey that’s actually a pretty fair point. I get so used to hearing people bring up terrible strategy failures that I didn’t even consider that maybe the people who wanna be teachers aren’t really the same people for handling that emotionally. I always imagined it as teachers being trained and having their firearms secured in lock boxes at all times which makes sense tactically, but they likely wouldn’t be prepared if it’s a student they know that they have to confront.
I had an English teacher throw a hardbound textbook at my head once because he thought I was being a “wiseass.” In fairness, I probably was. But in answer to your question, no time at all. Probably immediately.
I had elementary school teachers that would throw chalk and erasers at kids all the time, slam their desks against the wall with the kid in it, and bend our fingers back until it felt like they were going to break. I wouldn’t trust a single one of those teachers with a gun. Hell, I wouldn’t trust them with my children even without a gun.
So how long until a trigger happy idiot kills a kid?
I was in fear for my life! The 3rd grader had been disruptive all day and came at me with a FORK!
That happens all the time! Now we can have teachers shoot them back!
Even better, now, when a kid shoots up a school, you can have all the teachers running around with loaded firearms trying to find the shooter! Surely this will end well.
It’s already ending very, very poorly.
The thing to understand here is nobody’s going for a great outcome here. People are working on avoiding the worst outcomes.
I certainly hope they’re not taught to do this. They should be defending their classroom door and waiting for the cavalry.
Hopefully not the Uvalde Cavalry Corps.
No kidding
Any attending authorities will surely not be confused by the situation, potentially worsening things through miscommunication.
Uh, that has definitely already happened.
Or an unattended gun is picked up by a child. Of course, this will be used to further attack public schools.
Ah yeah. Teachers. The kind of dunce who just leaves a gun laying around is who’s teaching our kids. There just totally won’t be any precautions like lockboxes. We’re only gonna do the bare minimum we can to get guns into school, right? You really just think we’re gonna follow the most extremely stupid path so your “guns r bad” rhetoric makes sense. FFS, have some respect for what you’re arguing against.
Imagine you get into a videogame vs some other players and your only strategy is to assume your opponents are stupid and incapable so you can just waltz over them. Now what makes you so much more special than them? That’s the level of your argument right now. Just cripple your own position out the gate for making no attempt to understand what you’re up against.
I seem to recall a could of incidents of cops leaving guns in school restrooms.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/students-find-cops-gun-gun-bathroom-middle-school/story?id=69465097
https://www.wfxrtv.com/roanoke-county/officer-issued-firearm-left-unattended-in-restroom-during-hidden-valley-basketball-game/
https://pix11.com/news/local-news/long-island/gun-left-in-high-school-bathroom-by-off-duty-cop-on-long-island-scpd/
But you seem to want to extrapolate more from my short comment.
I’m not anti gun at all. Might even have a few. However, having attended a rural public school I know many of my former teachers are a lot like my neighbors. Dumb, irresponsible bullies. Not all of them, but it’s not an uncommon deal.
In the end, it’s not that I think most people are dumb, just that people are people and we are our own weakest link. We’re the least reliable part of a system.
And yeah, we often implement things in the most pants shittingly stupid way possible. Especially when it’s something born or of a culture built and nurtured as a political tool.
Really, FFS, have some respect for what you’re arguing against.
They fucking WHAT. Jesus Christ, we need robo cops, except that’s it’s own problem and we aren’t there yet. How can we address armed people who suck without armed people who don’t suck? I recall that cops generally get very miniscule training, so maybe we can start there. Training and weeding out stupid people would likely help.
Appreciate the cooler response, despite that we started by snipping at each other.
I can’t say I have the answers, but I figure it’s a start, along with greater oversight and accountability. Doing better with general education helps build more people with common sense. Better mental healthcare. Better emotional education. Gun laws that are actually common sense about restrictions without being sweeping and mindless. A more common sense gun culture.
Injecting more guns just feels like a simple answer to a complex question that doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. That just creates more unpredictable factors, which isn’t something you ever want when you’re trying to secure a situation.
We’re so culturally and infrastructurally damaged that we can barely implement any solutions. I don’t know what fixes that.
Ahhh yeah. I’m trying to be right, not force an angle. If I catch a new consideration that changes things, I gotta accept it. I’m a scientist.
I don’t want to arbitrarily inject guns. I’ve just determined that opposing them without your own is futile. I’m the brains vs brawn situation, it’s smart to be strong.
The whole name of the game is making sure your own guns aren’t causing extra harm. Gotta work backwards from there to figure out how to stop threats.
We could hypothetically have spaceship style chamber sealing tricks where we isolate a shooter and knock them out with some gas. It would be expensive to implement but gunless and relatively safe. Also difficult to exploit.
I mean, we are talking about arming the teaching staff with firearms, rather than having a trained guard who signed up for the task, or addressing the root problems. You’re asking them to either shoot their own students, or other students at the same school. This is not an expected outcome for someone who wants to go into education or stay there because they care for the kids, nor is it starting from a sane position to begin with.
Its a school, not a military barracks in a war zone.
Hey that’s actually a pretty fair point. I get so used to hearing people bring up terrible strategy failures that I didn’t even consider that maybe the people who wanna be teachers aren’t really the same people for handling that emotionally. I always imagined it as teachers being trained and having their firearms secured in lock boxes at all times which makes sense tactically, but they likely wouldn’t be prepared if it’s a student they know that they have to confront.
I had an English teacher throw a hardbound textbook at my head once because he thought I was being a “wiseass.” In fairness, I probably was. But in answer to your question, no time at all. Probably immediately.
I had elementary school teachers that would throw chalk and erasers at kids all the time, slam their desks against the wall with the kid in it, and bend our fingers back until it felt like they were going to break. I wouldn’t trust a single one of those teachers with a gun. Hell, I wouldn’t trust them with my children even without a gun.
36 hours
https://youtu.be/ByruDcMTbvo?si=41JhoJW5S99zjUkz