Considering Netenyahu basically said “lol, we’re going to keep taking over more of Gaza even if there’s a ceasefire” I can’t imagine what would make the other side wary…
I mean yes they’ve been very clear about that. If Biden wants Hamas to give up all their leverage he needs to bring to the table something that doesn’t mean Israel can just continue to genocide Gazans in two months.
Especially since, without a permanent ceasefire, this is just an exchange of hostages. And Israel can very easily just continue to grab Palestinians off the street, proclaim them to be ‘Hamas’ and hold them indefinitely, giving them an infinite supply of hostages to hold over Hamas.
The ceasefire was total bullshit from the beginning. If the US really wanted a ceasefire there have been resolutions for it that they could have not veto’d in the UN.
Another Hamas official, Ahmad Abdelhadi, said that the group was sticking to its demand that Israel agree to a long-term cease-fire and that leaks about the talks were designed to pressure Hamas to soften its position.
“We are not interested in engaging with what’s been floated, because it does not fulfill our demands,” Mr. Abdelhadi said Tuesday in a televised interview with al-Mayadeen, a Lebanese broadcaster.
Biden next week: We’re close to reaching a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia by Thursday. Ukraine will give up all its claims to its lands held by Russia and Russia pinky promises not to attack for 3 weeks.
This perfectly describes how insanely stupid israel’s deal is. But people don’t want to hear that.
Hamas rejects nothing.
They have laid a deal on the table which would lead to a permanent ceasefire
Israel is the party rejecting the deal. Israel wants to ethnically cleanse and annex Gaza
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Because the deal was ridiculous.
Israel is offering a temporary pause in exchange for all of the hostages while Netanyahu is saying that the invasion and resulting massacre in Rafah is still going to happen no matter what.
I don’t in any way condone the many atrocities of Hamas, but they’d be absolute idiots to give up their only leverage for basically nothing.
That the NYT is framing the refusal of an absolutely preposterous deal as a sign of Hamas wanting to continue the violence (which they absolutely do) while the Israeli government is making good faith attempts at peace (which it absolutely is NOT) is hardly surprising, though, given their general anti-palestinian bias.
What’s gross is acceptance of the idea that Hamas has 'leverage" because they took hostages. I take issue with the idea that taking hostages gives you leverage on anything, in any permanent sense. If Israel’s actions confirm anything (other than that they are just as capable of visiting the same atrocities on others as any humans are) it’s that. Show me what their actions have “levered” and I will show you a ruined land with a fast increasing body count. Way to apply yourselves champs.
It makes you a target. Period. One deserving of retribution. You don’t ever, ever get to walk away from that, so you don’t get to claim you have leverage. If anything, you’ve got baggage. Moreover, that baggage is going to, increasingly, claim collaterals. QE motherfucking D.
What’s gross is acceptance of the idea that Hamas has 'leverage" because they took hostages
You don’t have to like reality to understand it. The taking of innocent civilians as hostage is one of the many atrocities of Hamas that I unequivocally condemn. That doesn’t change the reality that those poor people ARE leverage in the negotiations, just like innocently imprisoned and tortured Palestinians are for the Israeli government.
I take issue with the idea that taking hostages gives you leverage on anything, in any permanent sense.
Again, acknowledging isn’t endorsing.
If Israel’s actions confirm anything (other than that they are just as capable of visiting the same atrocities on others as any humans are) it’s that
It’s what, exactly? That hostages aren’t used as leverage in ceasefire talks? Because Israel has leveraged innocently imprisoned Palestinians in every single ceasefire negotiation since the first one.
Show me what their actions have “levered” and I will show you a ruined land with a fast increasing body count. Way to apply yourselves champs.
Again completely missing the point in your quest to paint me and others as superfans of kidnapping as a political tactic.
It makes you a target. Period.
Being a Palestinian in Gaza (and to a lesser but still atrocious degree the West Bank) makes you a target. Period. No atrocities committed by Hamas necessary. Those are pretenses for what the fascist Netanyahu government already wanted to do, not the actual reasons.
One deserving of retribution
Now who’s being fucking gross? To say, knowing full well what Israeli government “retribution” looks like, that anyone could possibly deserve it is callously vengeful to the point of abhorrent bloodthirst.
You don’t ever, ever get to walk away from that
Don’t worry, at the very least double as many innocent Palestinian civilians as Hamas terrorists won’t.
you don’t get to claim you have leverage
Again with this complete ignorance of how ceasefire negotiations work, especially in THIS particular 75 year long conflict.
QE motherfucking D.
You have demonstrated nothing except your own ignorance and cocksure belief in the infallibility of your poor understanding.
Hamas rejected a nothing-burger that would make them give away all the hostages so they don’t get bombed for 6 weeks and then israel annexes Gaza afterwards.
There is a deal from Hamas on the table and it has been called very reasonable by all parties except israel (especially Netanyahu) who doesn’t want peace.
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Any deal with the fact that Netanyahu and his Likud party stays in power are not reasonable either. Do we demand to throw out the entire israeli government too?
Our famous terrorist friend Nelson Mandela and his ANC party also stayed in power after their terrorism.
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Is is a complicated history but even the Hamas founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. That’s a lie, and also intentionally ignores the 2017 Revised charter. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version too. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there’s no need to make things up about Hamas to show they’ve done terrible things. Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.
Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017
History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
Gaza Blockade is still Occupation
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There’s Christians living in Gaza being sniped by the IDF not by Hamas. Explain to me how that works
He’s not arguing in good faith.
Here he’s arguing that Hamas hasn’t rejected anything, ie. they haven’t rejected a deal.
Further down in the comments, he says that the Israeli deal is stupid, thereby admitting that there is an Israeli deal which Hamas is rejecting.
Check out his comment history.
Hamas already proposed a deal for a permanent ceasefire. Israelies are the ones not agreeing to it.
It doesn’t make sense for Hamas to give up prisoners in exchange for a ‘temporary’ ceasefire. All that’s going to happen is a massacre when the ceasefire expires and Hamas won’t have the leverage they have now.
This is straight out of the Republican playbook of proposing bullshit they know will never be agreed upon just to paint the opposition as unagreeable.
Fuck Zionists and fuck their supporters. They’re the same as Nazis.
Yet it’s always framed as Hamas rejects (temporary) ceasefire and never highlighted how it’s Israel rejecting any permanent ceasefire. As if only considering a full ceasefire instead of a temporary pause to the unending bombing and starvation campaign is unreasonable.
What was their deal though?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Hamas officials said on Tuesday that there had been no breakthrough in the mediated talks with Israel aimed at pausing the war and freeing the remaining hostages in the Gaza Strip, one day after President Biden said he was hopeful that a cease-fire would be in place by next week.
Basem Naim, a Hamas spokesman, said in a text message that the militant group had yet to formally receive “any new proposals” since senior Israeli officials met with Qatari, Egyptian and U.S. mediators in Paris last week to advance a possible deal.
As the Muslim holy month of Ramadan begins in less than two weeks, and as the death toll in Gaza approaches 30,000, global pressure has been mounting on Israel to agree to a deal to stop the war, at least temporarily.
Those pressures have led Israel to make significant concessions in the negotiations, two officials said, including an offer to release 15 Palestinians jailed on serious terrorism charges in exchange for five female Israeli soldiers being held in Gaza.
At a news conference in Washington on Tuesday, Matthew Miller, a State Department spokesman, said that negotiators “made significant progress” last week and were continuing to push for an agreement between Israel and Hamas.
With no accord in place, the Palestine Red Crescent Society said it had suspended emergency medical missions for two days in a part of Gaza where Israeli forces on Sunday intercepted a convoy evacuating patients from a hospital, interrogating and detaining workers on the suspicion that they were ferrying Hamas fighters.
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