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  • It only exists in Germany because this is how Hitler came to power,

    That’s correct but in my opinion that’s a great argument to push for a ban. As you say that’s how Hitler came to power with the NSDAP, so it would only be correct to use this law to try and prevent history from repeating itself. If we find out in the court that the law currently doesn’t apply it will be a win for the AfD of course but I believe and hope that it won’t be and that they will be banned. But if we don’t try and enact the law now how long do we wait? Till they are in government? Till they enacted emergency laws …

    Also, again, I do not believe this a definite solution to the “problem” of AfD and right wing movements in Germany. I do however believe it will be a big blow to the Right and might give us some room to move into with progressive ideas.


  • Yes you can only ban them if they threaten the democratic order. Or to be more precise:

    Eine Partei kann nur dann verboten werden, wenn sie nicht nur eine verfassungsfeindliche Haltung vertritt, sondern diese Haltung auch in aktiv-kämpferischer, aggressiver Weise umsetzen will.

    Which (if you don’t know German) basically means

    A party can only be banned if it advocates an unconstitutional position and also plans to use militant and aggressive means to reach their goals

    • rough translation I might try to find a source for a better one later

    Now I believe that the AfD does fit those criteria (unconstitutional position for sure, but them working together with militant neo-nazis etc. should fill the second criterium as well). But that’s just my opinion and in this situation it does not count as much. The process here is that the court will decide wether or not the AfD fits these criteria and based on that they will be banned or not banned.
    This is the important distinction to what you’ve outlined. It’s not “banning political opponents” it’s banning opponents of the constitution. I’m also not saying everyone with opposing views should be jailed I’m saying a party that opposes the constitution should be banned according to the constitution.


  • The last time they tried to ban a party in Germany was the NPD (another Nazi party) and at the end the Supreme Court decided the reason not to ban them, even though they were clearly unconstitutional , was because they were to few/insignificant (in the end they banned them from receiving party funding which still has a massive effect).

    So you couldnt ban them because they were to small and you can’t ban the AfD because they’re to big? Just because enough people vote for a party doesn’t mean they’re not unconstitutional.


  • The last time they tried to ban a party in Germany was the NPD (another Nazi party) and at the end the Supreme Court decided the reason not to ban them, even though they were clearly unconstitutional , was because they were to few/insignificant (in the end they banned them from receiving party funding which still has a massive effect).

    So you couldnt ban them because they were to small and you can’t ban the AfD because they’re to big? Just because enough people vote for a party doesn’t mean they’re not unconstitutional.



  • Most of your points were already correctly dismantled. But I’d just like to ad to

    In a democracy where some 30% vote nazi, banning them won’t solve anything. Anything.

    Is a sentiment I often feel too. I believe that we have to do so much more to fight against Fascists than just Vote and “use the democratic system correctly”. (I.e. fight fascism in the streets, offer actual political solutions to peoples problems…). But to say this won’t do anything is a huge understatement.

    Banning the AfD will:

    1. Disband the party leaving them in shambles to reorganize
    2. Stop the money flow which is going to the AfD (and in turn to other right wing groups
    3. Finally delegitimize the AfD and their main actors in a Democratic setting

    A ban would be an amazing feat but it would just be a little breather in the fight against fascism.





  • Well the OP is the one who made the Post so they obviously have more of an interest in the question/topic/image etc. Imagine someone posts a photo of their dog and a comment asks for what kind of dog it is for example. Then you would give a comment of the OP more credence than some person who knows neither the Dog nor OP and only has a single image to go off.

    Same with your post here, if you answer to my comment “that’s not what I’m asking” I might be more inclined to amend my statement/make another comment than if any “random” that showed up to a thread saying “that’s not what OP was asking”.

    Tl;dr: OP starts a post and might have the most interest/immediate knowledge of the subject matter. I wouldn’t say they “own” the post but they just have another relationship than a passerby commenter.




  • I think a large factor is because so many people use it. A lot of people come to self hosting without much knowledge and just copy configs etc. from a Tutorial. Those tutorials will 90% of the time use Apache or nginx. I remember back when I set up my first servers I mostly followed instructions and copied configs. Years later I understood I had set up Apache with virtual hosts and what that means/how it works but it might as well just have been nginx.

    As for why so many people use these two I think it also has to do with “adoption” in another way. Back before nginx Apache was the standard everything else was “different”. Then nginx appeared to solve the Problems of Apache and then there were 2 … These days you can probably do anything you want/need with the 2 servers so no reason to use anything else.

    Professionaly I usually use either HAProxy and Apache or Nginx (or sometimes HAProxy and Nginx) but if there are special requirements that might change.