

this entire thread is about the STG petition, and thus about the theoretical possibility of how laws could change


this entire thread is about the STG petition, and thus about the theoretical possibility of how laws could change


mandatory minimum warranties are also not relatively minimal effort and yet we have laws that require those… most consumer protection standards aren’t minimal effort: that doesn’t mean we don’t make laws to ensure consumers get what they are expecting when they hand over money
why shouldn’t handing over source code to a game that’s being shut down (and apparently that nobody finds any value in since it wasn’t even bought in bankruptcy auction) be mandated as a last resort?


literally what STG is about


and the law is able to make license conditions illegal/unenforceable (like non-compete clauses in employment contracts)


usually in bankruptcy the game gets sold in order to help pay debts… whoever buys the game assumes the responsibility of contributing to run the online services, or provide options for others to… in the case that nobody buys the game (im not entirely sure what happens to the IP in that case) but it’s relatively minimal effort to release server source code or documentation OR even just remove the online parts that’s usually just for DRM which is now pretty irrelevant because you’re shutting it down anyway so why would anyone care if someone pirates it?!


not to mention whose recent valuations have basically been about selling their data to train models which will be used to make AI slop


A group of conscripted cooks took down a helicopter of landing marines
kinda reminds me of this: https://www.theage.com.au/national/collins-sub-shines-in-us-war-game-20021013-gduomk.html
during war games one of australia’s collins class submarines (diesel electric, quite dated at this point) managed to “kill” a los angeles class nuclear submarine (several times over?) when the US sub was also aided by 2 destroyers


there are public STUN servers: just like DNS, STUN is a fairly critical part of modern infrastructure
peer to peer real time video is a fairly solved problem. the fact that we have google/amazon/zoom/etc in the middle isn’t because it’s necessary
that having been said, STUN servers are also incredibly cheap to run… i wouldn’t consider it exactly off the cards for a company that’s selling products to support a public STUN server indefinitely… it’s not quite as simple as them having to pay tens of thousands /mo in infrastructure costs to keep the lights on: it’s more like $100/mo, which at numbers that small you’d make back in just interest on the sales you made… but i reckon it could go something like “support for 10 years” and then they release an update that lets you set your own STUN server; perhaps defaulting to a public, free one


yeah… very much public health attitude


i think people are much worse drivers than you think they are… you just hear about every self driving accident because it’s newsworthy right now
apparently
Self-driving cars are more than twice as likely to be involved in an accident compared to human-driven cars, but some studies suggest they are considerably less injurious (and fatal) than human-operated vehicle crashes.
https://financebuzz.com/self-driving-car-statistics-2025
not a primary source, but their data seems to be from the NHSTA


you can make very cheap to maintain peer to peer solutions
you can use a STUN server to discover your public IP and use a method called UDP hole punching to open a port others can connect to. STUN servers are very cheap to run: they don’t actually handle the data; just provide a kind of handshake service in the middle for coordinating
this is often used for peer to peer video chat etc


Having a unique password per device is best practices.
yup that’s all i’m getting at… this vacuum has unprotected access to ADB, which another user likened to root access, and i just think that in circumstances that are root-like, even physical access shouldn’t grant unprotected root


they’re not going to go after the robot vacuum when the thermostat, tablets, computers, TV, router, access point, etc are right there.
… and all of those things should be equally protected
they’re going to go for the easiest thing to extract information or escalate
since they have root they can add a password themselves!
the most absurd thing is assuming that an end-user is going do add a root password to a serial interface
i’m not saying end users shouldn’t be able to gain root somehow, simply that it shouldn’t be wide open by default… there should be some process, perhaps involving a unique password per device


doesn’t mean it can’t do damage - like fox news


you’re on programming.dev so i assume you know that secrets is a generic term to cover things like your cloud account login (whatever form that may take - a password, token, api key, etc) for the robot vacuum service and you’re being intentionally obtuse
it’s a realistic attack scenario for some people - think celebrities etc, who might be being targeted… if someone knows what type of vacuum you have, it’s not “carefully take apart” - it’d take 30s, and then you have local network access which is an escalation that can lead to significantly more surveillance like security cameras, and devices with unsecured local access
just because it doesn’t apply to you doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply to anyone… unsecured or default password root access, even with physical access, is considered a security issue


yes and no… i agree with the sentiment, but with root you can extract wifi credentials and various other secrets… you shouldn’t be able to get these things even when you have physical access to the device… the root access itself isn’t the problem


this thread is about handguns specifically and they said nothing about other kinds of guns
(and i must say too, as an aussie, i love that we have near 0 gun deaths! it can’t possible be our near total gun ban though… must be something else)


you’re hunting with a handgun?


plus one of the main issues with desalination plants for fresh water is… getting rid of the sodium
voyager automatically opens links in reader mode for me and it works about 80% of the time
(but this article it doesn’t work for)