The Democrats and ‘liberals’ are also extremists. The parent comment is literally about their victims.

I think you underestimate how thin the skin of the professional managerial class is. It’s not about the tone of voice it’s about the directness and how that’s facilitating “conflict”.

Looting and mutual aid

I’m trying to find the data around the “data set of 323 mass actions. Chenoweth analyzed nearly 160 variables” and am not finding it. Closest I find is the excerpt from their book here https://muse.jhu.edu/article/760088 which tells a rather mixed story.

I understand this was posted within the context of ongoing events in LA. Of note in the research being shared here is the goal of “overthrow of a government or in territorial liberation” which I think is a very different scope. However, I would encourage reading their latest peer reviewed paper here which I believe does a better job of scoping the LA protests.

Of note is that it addresses the consistent conflating of “violent armed overthrow of the state” with “throwing rocks after getting shot at”.

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Those children grow up to be the ones writing policy. They are people too, don’t forget that you were also once a child.

The “stupidest shit” that is said is often due to them being isolated and in a social bubble where those beliefs are the norm. Those “Internet arguments” may be the only exposure to ideas outside and social pushback outside said bubble.

Lack of evidence of outcome is not evidence of outcome.

If you’re getting heated you’re doing it wrong.

The payoff isn’t to convince the other person one way or another, it’s to provide others reading the discussion alternative viewpoints. In this case pushing back against the idea that children’s thoughts, feelings and questions should be ignored.

The time period they are referencing (old history at this point…) the Ottoman empire was in control of the area and it operated as something of an apartheid state. Pogroms, persecution and oppression absolutely happened. However it was mostly a new import from western Europe. Jewish citizens were second class but they were still “people of the book” and fared much better for most of the empire’s history.

However, understanding a bit more history there is a direct through line from those historical wrongs and the modern Palestinian genocide. It is just a continuation of the Spanish, Portuguese and British (amongst others) campaign against ethnicly semetic peoples that the Jewish people also historically fell victim to.

I will note the slew of pogroms in the middle east and ask you read about why the Bar Giora was formed.

I understand that you are trying to draw a direct line from the modern IDF to a historic Jewish Resistance Movement. However, I would argue that it was coopted by foreign powers and abandoned it’s goal of an independent jewish state after it’s transformation into the Haganah and transitioned from a defensive force (largely support) to a colonizing force (don’t support).

I do not support the Ottoman empire in its persecution of religious minorities. However, I do not see how your logic and worldview wouldn’t support the Ottomans in persecuting the Jewish people at the time due to their militant tactics. What perspective am I missing?

Tell me what your point is or drop it.

The point is controlled opposition, perverse incentives, and the power/danger of “sell outs”.

the re-colonization of Israel by Jews goes back at least as far as the 1200s.

Immigration is not the same as colonization. When immigrating to a location (even mass migration) the power dynamics do not allow for the migrating group to dominate the local group. Colonization is when that power dynamic is flipped.

There have been war crimes on both sides, and they both need be acknowledged

Again power dynamics and scale are the most important factor here. If someone punches you that does not give you the right to murder their whole family. If someone peacefully barged their way into your home and you to leave what would your response be?

They were used by the Nazis to potentially make impossible choices that hurt their fellow community members, but they had to make these choices or else their community would have suffered even more harm

Yes, but why did Nazi Germany form them? What was their purpose in the machine?

I’m curious where you find a connection between these WWII Judenrates

I think it would be more productive for you to do a bit of reading and come back with what you think I’m getting at. I think answering that now would color the perception and make it harder to learn about a very important political concept.

I appreciate the honesty but you seem to be missing the perspective that:

1. The existence of the State of Israel is an explicit British colonization project and currently exists as a puppet state of “the empire”.

2. The power imbalance between the state of Israel and Hamas and the repeated, and well documented, war crimes and ethnic cleansing perpetrated by the State of Israel.

3. Left wing vs Right wing is a false dichotomy. You will have opinions and viewpoints of both matter your political self identification and they are poorly defined.

I would be curious to know your opinions about the judenrätes of WWII (whether they were heroes or villains, left wing vs right wing, etc.) and how the current State of Israel is not just a continuation of that?

Can’t use it to find evidence or get a warrant, but absolutely do use it to figure out who to target/where to look for evidence.

Herring Vs. United States set the de facto legal basis that allows for this sort of evidence laundering.

Base 16 is used all the time in computer science. The symbols for 9+ aren’t arcane or unrecognizable it’s 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F. It’s often written with an 0X in front to indicate hexadecimal or something like 'h for hex and 'd for decimal.

Examples:

• 'h7 = 'd7
• 'hC = 'd12
• 'hF = 'd15
• 'h7CF = 'd(7 × 16²) + (12 × 16¹) + (15 × 16⁰) = 'd1792 + 'd192 + 'd15 = 'd1999

Try 106 years ago

It’s a good thing that separation of corp and state is an inherent part of wage slavery.

Could you imagine if you thought you were making an honest living parasitising some poor business owner with your wages only to find out you were actually living off the state the whole time?

Embarrassing.

In every way

You seem to be replying to someone else entirely.

Depends on the patent.

Not how that works, stop talking out of your ass (Gottschalk v. Benson)

It’s not “my definition of theft”, it’s “theft”.

You keep switching between moral and legal arguments. They are not the same.

It’s like these capitalists of today saying that OSHA needs to go because they’re losing profits to it

Deflection

You strike me as

Strawman

you decided to call me an idiot

Literally mirroring your words back at you

Copyright exists to create a temporary monopoly so the creator can recoup their creation costs and some profit on top

Creation costs like the cost of an advanced degree? You’re repeating talking points like nobody’s heard them before and contradicting yourself every other comment.

How many transition steps are needed

That was a rhetorical question, let me try rephrasing that. If A+B+C=D and D+E=F is A a requirement to get F? Or is it no longer relevant because it’s 2 steps removed?

Let’s say my company gets funding to disseminate OSHA information to employees

I wish I got paid to avoid fines. I understand that is how your deeply corrupt system works but you really can’t understand the financial incentives there can you? Imagine that illegal parking is a huge problem so instead of parking tickets they pay everyone who owns a car to sit through a parking information seminar. Do you honestly think that isn’t going to factor into your decision on whether you should own/drive a car? Is it unreasonable to say that the state is paying you to drive?

So, you fully and honestly believe that Microsoft has stolen Google’s and Amazon’s code?

Does a patent protect the concept or the specific code? You seemed pretty adamant that reverse engineering was theft previously, and assuming you haven’t changed your definition of theft then yes, according to your definition of theft I’m 100% certain that’s the case.

became Fortune 500 thanks to those protections

Thanks to those, or in spite of? You are focusing on outliers and expecting that to be a convincing argument to describe the typical.

these laws ALSO serve the smaller companies.

Just because they can, doesn’t mean it’s something to expect. There are orders of magnitude between how often they protect, and how often the destroy. You a big lottery fan or something?

This is what my reply was to

Fair, I was attempting to limit scope with only discussing patents and not getting into the rest of the weeds and didn’t properly communicate that. I had assumed there would be more than a single neuron between the two of us, but that was clearly presumptive of me.