Thanks, I’m actually building the libre kernel when you typed this.

https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:incompatible_packages

I just want to know what did conky do to get in that list lol

They actually stopped using the linux kernel all together as well.

What can change is the location of XDG_DATA_HOME, (highly unlikely but it is possible, usually it is the user that changes that and not the distro).

This trick fixes that highly unlikely posibility of the Trash dir being moved, add this to the exclude dirs:

${XDG_DATA_HOME:-$HOME/.local/share}/Trash

Appimages I don’t really like because I hate having to go and check manually for updates for each one, it feels too much like Windows to me. But there are a couple of things that only have Appimage versions so I’ll suck it up.

https://github.com/ivan-hc/AM

I have 16 GiB of mem + zram. Nothing makes it run out of mem.

Zram gives me some insane compression ratios. Like I cannot get the system to run out of mem doing everything that I normally do at once.

Also that is old, I don’t really use the aur anymore. The only aur package that I have installed is downgrade and that is used to troubleshoot issues with the official packages lol.

I also have the pacman cache in tmpfs, since I use btrfs snapshots for restoring.

Also my web pages and everything load just fine. I did mostly to reduce unnecessary writes to disk, the Gentoo wiki suggest moving the whole $XDG_CACHE_HOME to tmpfs which I think is extreme lol

Also my browser cache is not fully being cleared, notice that at the end of the script I have some syncing going on with rsync.

https://github.com/Samueru-sama/dotfiles/blob/main/.local/scripts/xdg-hammer/librewolf.sh

https://github.com/Samueru-sama/fixsteam/blob/main/steam

Yeah that is why I said either CACHE or STATE.

Before XDG_STATE_HOME there was a big question on whether log files would go on DATA or CACHE, because log files could go on either depending on how you treated them. To solve that issue XDG_STATE_HOME was created.

Ever since them the shell history gets treated with similar importance to log files. The arch wiki also suggests it for the bash history to be on STATE: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Base_Directory

And while XDG_CACHE_HOME is technically a temporary location, it doesn’t really get used as one, one example is the very shader caches get placed in them, and I don’t want to regularly clear my shader caches and wait a minute every time I start a game.

For that I use this script, which moves the cache I really want to be cleared to /tmp: https://github.com/Samueru-sama/dotfiles/blob/main/.local/scripts/tools/tmpfs.sh

And everything else stays in $XDG_CACHE_HOME and I don’t clear it.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I really want to stick to something like i3, which I think the only thing that is close is sway (and sway is not a perfect drop in replacement for i3 btw).

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8000

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8001

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/8002

Actually not even i3 is perfect for me, I had to fork it to apply a patch that they haven’t applied: https://github.com/i3/i3/pull/5521

A few months ago I really tried to switch to hyprland, it all ended with my wasting my time reading the documentation on how to assign workspaces to monitors for hyprland to tell me that the feature was deprecated 💀

Another issue that I had with hyprland is that I could not move a floating window between displays using the move left/right as those moved the window to the right/left of the display instead of a left/right direction.

I also use i3msg to do some mildly complex actions, which I really couldn’t figure out how to do with hyprland, like this one:

https://github.com/Samueru-sama/dotfiles/blob/main/.local/config/i3/config

set $EXC exec --no-startup-id
set $ADUNST dunstify -r 33 -t 1500
set $RX1 i3-msg '[class="Brave" instance="^(?i)(?!web.telegram.org__k)(?!discord.com__app)(?!web.whatsapp.com).*"] focus'
$BIND $MOD+F1 $EXC $RX1 && $ADUNST "Brave" || ( brave & $ADUNST "Launching Brave" )

Which basically the same keybind either focuses or launches the web-browser, but does not focus on the PWA instances of the web browser as for that I use a different keybind.

Another bigger issue that I need to solve as well is that it seems it isn’t possible to do "xrandr --setmonitor extended in wayland, as I use that with my 3 monitors to play some games. (it sets the 3 displays as one).

I have good news, looks like this issue actually just sway only issue, it just happened that on archlinux all the other wayland compositors also have this issue lol. https://lemmy.ml/post/16201068/11320955

Now I know who to report this to.

I mean I use bash for some of my scripts, but I mostly try to keep them POSIX compliant, and yes I also use dash as my sh. zsh is just my interactive and login shell, which by being the login shell I export all my variables on .zprofile instead of what you are doing with the sway wrapper.

I also try to use mawk instead of gawk as that one is even faster than dash. (And in some tests, even faster than C++ btw), check this out if you want: https://github.com/Samueru-sama/dotfiles

I just went with zsh because I first tried to get bash to work and couldn’t lol.

I have .librewolf (if you want to not have this(this approach works with pretty much all firefox derivatives/family), then make a script, which basically launches librewolf with different home, like HOME=$XDG_DATA_HOME librewolf (or wherever you want),

https://github.com/Samueru-sama/dotfiles/blob/main/.local/scripts/xdg-hammer/librewolf.sh

I also use this one with steam: https://github.com/Samueru-sama/fixsteam/blob/main/steam

touch ${XDG_DATA_HOME}/bash-history

You may wanna move that to either XDG_CACHE_HOME or XDG_STATE_HOME (couldn’t hold my xdg vigilantism sorry).

I cannot believe you were right. It is a arch only issue for hyprland.

I’m on artix linux since a few days ago, but I did not test hyprland on artix yet. I had only tested sway because I had a similar issue with xfce4 apps creating a ~/.config dir, which actually turned out to be a dbus issue which does not happen on artix because they don’t use dbus-broker.

Indeed hyprland does not create the ~/.cache directory, but it does create a .dbus directory instead (something that sway doesn’t do 🤔). So I basically just moved forward and backwards at the same time lol.

Btw don’t tell me you use ~/.var/cache because flatpak hardcodes ~/.var like I cannot do that, I would not accept such defeat lol.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, I have been stuck with this issue for months, now I know where the problem is at least.

Wanna know something? I’ve been trying for about 5 months to fix this issue without success. I appreciate the help.

I haven’t bothered to report this because A) I don’t know who to report this to as I’m not sure what is creating the directory, and B) I’ve already reported other issues I’ve run into when using sway that were just ignored.

No steam doesn’t run when starting. The same programs when I start i3 which does not have this issue are the same programs that start when I start sway, as sway uses my i3 configuration.

I’ve also tested hyprland and cosmic and both of those have that issue as well.

Worth mentioning that when I’m on x11 ~/.cache never gets created, even when I run apps that use mesa.

Also maybe there are programs that does not respect XDG and have hardcoded paths to ~/.cache.

That’s what I’m thinking, and it seems that program is all wayland compositors for some reason, there is likely a hardcoded path to ~/.cache what else could be making a ~/.cache/mesa_shader_cache directory when logging in that doesn’t happen on X11?

I made sure XDG_CACHE_HOME was set before starting sway and it still happens: https://lemmy.ml/post/16201068/11319192

Alright, here is an update.

before starting sway: https://i.imgur.com/ZcePiEa.jpeg

after starting sway: https://i.imgur.com/TocM2dC.jpeg

I don’t use bash. As there is no way to fix bash leaving dotfiles in home lol.

I use zsh with $ZDOTDIR set to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/zsh and there my .zprofile contains my environment variables that I posted. zsh is my login shell so they get applied once I login.

But you made a good point, I will test defining XDG_CACHE_HOME in /etc/profile just to see if that fixes the issue.

What do you mean by declarative system configuration? that thing that nixos does that you set it up thru its config file?

I’ve also kept several month old btrfs snapshots on my system and I don’t see a problem with it, they only add like 3 GIB of storage each when they are that old.

Also I’m not sure what you meant by increased security? Is it more secure simply because you can’t edit the root filesystem?

You get all of this by using Btrfs in a regular distro.

Recently kdeconnect broke on me, I just rolled back the snapshot to the day before.

Appimages don’t bloat the system, they are actually many times even smaller than native packages thanks to their compression (librewolf being 100 MiB instead of 300 MiB, libreoffice being 300 MiB instead of 600 MiB).

And those are “lazy” appimages made with linuxdeploy, if you do some tricks with static linking to can get their size down way way more. For example one case is qbittorrent, their official appimage is 100 MiB while there is a fork called “qBittorrent Enhanced Edition” and they got the size of the appimage down to 26 MiB

I also don’t know what you mean by security risks with the libraries, the appimage gets made in CI (usually ubuntu 20.04 or debian stable) and the libraries from those distros get bundled and released, the only way this could be a security risk is if the whole appimage is outdated or debian/ubuntu haven’t caught to updating their distros.

My big issue wiht flatpak is that they don’t follow the xdg base dir spec and neither add the binaries to PATH (And they said that they will not fix those issues btw), making them only useful for some graphical applications, while pulling several gigabytes of runtimes and dependencies, and the more I’ve been using and understanding appimage the more I think both flatpak and snap should have never existed. As 99% of what they do could have been done with appimage already and just keep a centralized repo of approved appimages for security concerns.

There is usually misunderstanding behind this type of questions. for example “why isn’t ilike on macos where it is ~/.Trash” and then one has to explain what XDG_DATA_HOME is and why it makes sense for trash to be there (And that it doesn’t have to do with the desktop environment as well).

Or op just lost something important thinking that the trash was somewhere else.