being good faith doesn’t mean you are a good debater.

Christopher Hitchens often argued for stuff he didn’t know or care much about but he did an amazing job at it.

Meanwhile a 62 IQ Florida man who thinks the earth is flat might be the most good faith pure of heart debater who beehives that in his heart of heart that the earth is flat. He will be a terrible debater.

What about people who debate issues they don’t agree with and steel man them ? good things have come from this because it causes new people to look at stuff and bring an outside view to things and point out something the activist on either side of a debate haven’t noticed.

It discredits their view points. When you debate you are almost never going to convince the other person the goal is to convince the audience or people who haven’t made up their minds.

That is what I think the left has failed at and it kept me as a baby leftist for a while because I would as a question and they would accuse me of being an alt right troll.

I love debating. I especially love debating right wingers because it’s fun and makes the world better. One thing they are better about one of the few things is answering questions ,if you have questions they have answers. I would make fun of them and ask dumb hypothetical and they would still answer

How is that post wrong ?

How is anything I have said wrong.

Thanks I agree and this is a valuable perspective

So funny thing is republicans say the same thing. There is a famous quote ““Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit.””

I would argue the left needs to take some responsibility with getting distracted in the culture war and losing site of the working class. Look at Bernie you can go back to 2016 and see people saying that bernie was a bro candidate and not progressive enough compared to hillarly on insert x wedge issue here

I agree that we need to be more technocratic as I think democracy is kind of running it’s course in the world. Maga also has a lot of contradictions to be fair

I like this actually

do you have an actual answer to the question ?

Also even if you disagree with that, that is how they feel and when it comes to votes weather or not how they feel is justified or not doesn’t matter

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can you name me a like pro white subreddit ?

so I make onyfans right and being an Asian grl a nieche I tried to get into was WMAF raceplay. I tried posting on subreddits and within a few months most of the racepaly subs I was on were banned for racism and I got a temp ban on my account so I stopped doing that